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Zoobot
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
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SPINOZA for President!!!!
You go!
I smoke 1 cigarette a month or so. I'm opposed to its absolute abolition however... I would prefer to be able to eat in a restaurant without having to smell smoke. The profits generated are vital to the operations of states. To be consistent with the health argument, we would have to ban cars as well. In some cities, breathing the air on the streets for more than two hours is equivalent to smoking a pack a day.
I would tend to believe the studies that cigarettes stave off Alzheimers' (I do not believe anyone who says the same of lung cancer though), because I read a study that was trying to explain why almost all schizophrenics chain smoke, and they found that cigarettes improve short-term memory.
Mind you, that is not a good reason to smoke. I'm sure a memorization task a week would do the same thing.
But keep puffing! I don't think the best way to solve the overpopulation problem is to keep everyone on earth alive for 80 or more years. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Smoking is good for you! |
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http://www.forces.org/evidence/index.htm documents scientific studies which show that smokers are significantly less likely to suffer from Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and other neurological orders. And that's just the beginning . . .
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If I were to hazard a guess, maybe smokers don't live long enough to suffer from these illnesses, which are generally associated with old age? |
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Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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How is it in any way contradictory to say that smoking is bad for your health while at the same time arguing that it is and should be a personal choice and that there are advantages in other spheres (such as tax income)?
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Those weren't his only positions, but I'll let the "intellectual heavyweights" such as you and Sbignoza root around in each others' feces...
I hope you fellas realize all of this debate is in response to a post (way beyond) obviously meant as a joke, from a poster who, gee, given his name and avatar, just might, I dunno...be joking? (which apparently escaped both your genius, and spinoza's superior big brain.
Thanks fer playin'! |
Just because someone posts something as a joke doesn't mean it can't result in a serious discussion. Actually, all of this debate is in response to your post that one can't hold positions you feel are contradictory. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Novernae wrote: |
Just because someone posts something as a joke doesn't mean it can't result in a serious discussion. Actually, all of this debate is in response to your post that one can't hold positions you feel are contradictory. |
People can hold contradictory stances, sure, but their credibility then is zero--fine by me.
It's OK, half of me agrees with you both. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
| Novernae wrote: |
Just because someone posts something as a joke doesn't mean it can't result in a serious discussion. Actually, all of this debate is in response to your post that one can't hold positions you feel are contradictory. |
People can hold contradictory stances, sure, but their credibility then is zero--fine by me.
It's OK, half of me agrees with you both. |
You haven't even explained why the position is contradictory. You just keep repeating the claim.
Anyone with the intellectual capacity higher than that of a mollusc can see the view is completely and utterly coherent.
Your problem is you are confused because it both supports smoking (state profit) and acknowledges smoking as unhealthy. These are evidenced facts, not contradictions. The fact that I myself smoke (socially) seems to be of significance in your incapacity to understand what is an idea as crystal clear as a diamond. I also don't support the ban on smoking in public places that's taken place in Europe and North America. People who smoke themselves to death over a period of decades are very profitable and I make the state purse of much higher importance than some anti-smoking whiney, horrible b-stard. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
You haven't even explained why the position is contradictory. You just keep repeating the claim.
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Very true. Jejujitsu comes off like a Republican crying "scandal," or a Democrat crying, "foul," again and again and again. If you are going to argue support your claims, why don't you?
Jejujitsu for President! |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
You haven't even explained why the position is contradictory. You just keep repeating the claim.
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Very true. Jejujitsu comes off like a Republican crying "scandal," or a Democrat crying, "foul," again and again and again. If you are going to argue support your claims, why don't you?
Jejujitsu for President! |
re-read.
Abortions for all! [crowd boos.] |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:55 am Post subject: Re: Smoking is good for you! |
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| Tobacco Dreams wrote: |
SMOKING IS GOOD FOR YOU |
Are Marlboro lights better than regular? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:51 am Post subject: |
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You could find a thousand articles about why smoking is bad, and a hundred why it's good.
There is only one benefit to smoking that I'm aware of: it fights bowel disorders like Crohn's and colitis. Actually the largest group of people to have those problems are ex-smokers. |
Yeah, well...The largest group of people who have heart disease, mouth and lung cancer are probably ex-smokers, too. |
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Tobacco Dreams
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:03 am Post subject: Re: Smoking is good for you! |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Tobacco Dreams wrote: |
SMOKING IS GOOD FOR YOU |
Are Marlboro lights better than regular? |
Almost certainly not. It's the nicotine that's nourishing your brain; you want MORE of it, not less.
Meanwhile, I'm somewhat perplexed to find that my OP is being treated by some readers as a "joke." While thinking that runs contrary to popular opinion may strike some as humorous, it certainly isn't always meant that way.
I'm tempted now to dig up a couple of news stories which have run within the past few years:
A man who was thought to be over 120 years of age, and thus probably the oldest living man on earth, was asked the secret of longevity. He stated that it was five hand-rolled cigars a day that staved off illness and kept him strong. This was in Cambodia.
Elsewhere, a man officially documented as being the oldest alive in the United States was shown in the newspapers with a cigar in his mouth. He too recommended smoking to promote health and longevity.
Links to follow, so help me!
On another topic, meanwhile, drinking heavily is also very good for you . . . |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, however, Spinoza et al, if you consider yourselves as anti-Republican, you MUST be aware that Big Tobacco in the US often supports Republican candidates in the US:
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=A02
as most tobacco is grown in the warm, humid climate of North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340009/from/RL.3/
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V118/N35/tobacco.35w.html
http://www.tobaccofree.org/republicans.html
http://www.cleanlungs.com/education/features/bush.html
http://www.thegully.com/essays/US/politics_2001/010319tobacco_bush.html
If you don't smoke American brands, though, that information doesn't really affect you... |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: asdfghjk
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| so if i smoke 20 doobies a week, i can claim i'm not a pothead? or is this another strawman argument? |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| so if i smoke 20 doobies a week, i can claim i'm not a pothead? or is this another strawman argument? |
If you smoke 20 doobies per week, you're a complete braindead loser....but we probably could've guessed that anyway. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
| so if i smoke 20 doobies a week, i can claim i'm not a pothead? or is this another strawman argument? |
It depends on how big the doobies are and if you are taking it for medical purposes. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, missed this.
Obviously, tobacco companies may invest in what they choose to.
Nobody in their right mind would against tobacco on the grounds that political parties one is averse to profit from it.
I really can't comment on the US because I know nothing about the tobacco industry there (can Americans please comment?) but in my country tobacco ploughs in billions to the state, which is invested back into society - doctors, nurses, policemen, firemen, roads, hospitals, houses, pensions, services. It simply follows that staunchly anti-smoking whiners are to be despised as state parasites. |
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