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semphoon
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Where Nowon is
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| Beej wrote: |
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| People who have flown Korean Air, what has your experience been with them? I, as a soon-to-be passenger with them, would love to know. |
They are long overdue for a crash. |
I heard they CRASH more than 110% of the time 
Only joshing - I flew with them and I thought they were fine. And even if you do crash, the kimchi will protect you (somehow). |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| And for those crowing about KAL landing once on a taxiway, between 1996 and 2006 in USA there were 117 such incidents. One hundred and seventeen. |
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oneofthesarahs
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Back to the topic at hand, yes, you can plug in your laptop on Korean Air. But as a fair warning, that doesn't mean it will work. First of all, if you're flying economy, there's only one plug for the three seats. So if your seatmates want to plug in their laptop, you may either have to rotate plugging it in or fight to the death to use it.
Also, the guy sitting next to me tried plugging in his laptop, but the plug in our row of seats apparently didn't work, and so they moved him a row back. Unfortunately for him, he got stuck next to the big drunk guy who kept getting up every five seconds to go to the bathroom. |
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huck
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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I think it depends on the aircraft.
I flew business class from bangkok to seoul last summer, and i had an outlet. then i changed planes and flew business class from seoul to L.A., and they didn't have any outlets for me in business class - only first class...i wasn't too happy.
Economy class - I've never seen it, but I guess I've only flown Korean Air twice in the last 3-4 years....I've decided that I'll only fly places that Singapore Air visits... |
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DanielP
Joined: 25 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Thx for the reply guys. I just feel for those who have to take a flight in any class that goes for more than 17+ hours straight. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Here goes another rude reply (though not as bad as they're due for a crash).
Stow the laptop for a day and bring a book? |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| ez2engage2 wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| periwinkle wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| DanielP wrote: |
| People who have flown Korean Air, what has your experience been with them? I, as a soon-to-be passenger with them, would love to know. |
They are long overdue for a crash. |
Last weekend they landed on a taxiway at Akita (it was in the Chosun online, I believe, although I'm too lazy to provide links). Taxiway isn't as wide as a runway. Not a crash, but qualifies as an incident, and would get the pilots fired at many airlines. |
That's not a very comforting thought...  |
What a sick comment to say - they are overdue for a crash.
KAir did have a bad history of accidents but they drastically re-engineered their operational processes. Their SkyTeam member pilots/consultans (Delta/Air France/NWA) came in after last incident and made changes/recommendations/follow-ups which KAir embraced and went beyond the requirements set by the aviation agencies.
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Just curious- how do you think they went beyond the requirements set by aviation agencies? They've met the standards, but I wouldn't say they have went above and beyond. KAL isn't very proactive until a major crash occurs. Then they get their butts in gear. The only reason they brought in consultants from Delta was because they were about to be banned from US airspace. Incidentally, those consultants are gone now. There wasn't one incident that occured while the Delta guys were at KAL, but several months after the safety VP left, the taxiway incident occurred.
Anyway, the recent taxiway landing is a big deal. Sure, it has happened at other airlines, and pilots make mistakes, but it's not something to be swept under the rug or minimized. Other a/c don't expect planes to be landing on a taxiway, and other a/c could have been taxiing on that taxiway. KAL was lucky there wasn't an incursion. Plus, it happened just last weekend, so that's why I mentioned it~
That said, I don't think KAL is unsafe, but I don't think they are perfect, either, and as for going beyond the requirements, I don't recall KAL winning any kind of worldwide awards for safety... |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Okay, maybe KAL isn't the safest in the world. But at least the flight attendants' uniforms (and until recently the aircraft?) aren't that pukey, butt-ugly colour... jesus, I don't even know if that horrible colour has a name. Asiana Barf-Brown™? |
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ez2engage2
Joined: 19 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| periwinkle wrote: |
| ez2engage2 wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| periwinkle wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| DanielP wrote: |
| People who have flown Korean Air, what has your experience been with them? I, as a soon-to-be passenger with them, would love to know. |
They are long overdue for a crash. |
Last weekend they landed on a taxiway at Akita (it was in the Chosun online, I believe, although I'm too lazy to provide links). Taxiway isn't as wide as a runway. Not a crash, but qualifies as an incident, and would get the pilots fired at many airlines. |
That's not a very comforting thought... |
What a sick comment to say - they are overdue for a crash.
KAir did have a bad history of accidents but they drastically re-engineered their operational processes. Their SkyTeam member pilots/consultans (Delta/Air France/NWA) came in after last incident and made changes/recommendations/follow-ups which KAir embraced and went beyond the requirements set by the aviation agencies.
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Just curious- how do you think they went beyond the requirements set by aviation agencies? They've met the standards, but I wouldn't say they have went above and beyond. KAL isn't very proactive until a major crash occurs. Then they get their butts in gear. The only reason they brought in consultants from Delta was because they were about to be banned from US airspace. Incidentally, those consultants are gone now. There wasn't one incident that occured while the Delta guys were at KAL, but several months after the safety VP left, the taxiway incident occurred.
Anyway, the recent taxiway landing is a big deal. Sure, it has happened at other airlines, and pilots make mistakes, but it's not something to be swept under the rug or minimized. Other a/c don't expect planes to be landing on a taxiway, and other a/c could have been taxiing on that taxiway. KAL was lucky there wasn't an incursion. Plus, it happened just last weekend, so that's why I mentioned it~
That said, I don't think KAL is unsafe, but I don't think they are perfect, either, and as for going beyond the requirements, I don't recall KAL winning any kind of worldwide awards for safety... |
Sorry don't have a link but I thought I remembered reading a detail article regarding this matter and it mentioned about Kair trying to set higher safety guideline than the minimum requirement. I'm sure PR was part of it as well.
You're right about the reasons why Delta people came in - they were also suspended from the SkyTeam alliance. They probably weren't too proactive as you said in the past but I think the guam incident was a major wake up call for them. Especially the military culture within the pilots.
Last landing incident is definately something not minor but fairly or unfairly, Kair will get scrutnized more than the other airline.
The public has a choice on who they'll fly and if one doesn't feel safe on Kair from past perception then he has right to fly someone else.
I'm an aviation fan so I feel safe flying in all the major carriers including KAL.
They won't win any safety awards if based on history, that's for sure. For that, Qantas takes it for never having a fatal accident.
Please don't anyone say Qantas is due since they are the only major airline that has never had one. |
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migooknom
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| their food sucks...at least on economy class |
Don't they all?
(And Singapore is not that great either btw) |
I thought so too, but I have been pleasantly suprised on two occasions.
once on a domestic flight in the states (I don't recall the airline) they actually gave us each a mini domino personal pizza.
another time on delta airline, they served breakfast. Pancakes, eggs, and sausages. |
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Meggiebea
Joined: 20 Oct 2006
Location: Uijeongbu, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Here goes another rude reply (though not as bad as they're due for a crash).
Stow the laptop for a day and bring a book? |
I think I will be travelling about 17 hours that day. I think reading a book will get pretty boring. Just like using my laptop will get boring. And doing Soduku puzzles will get boring. options options options! |
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migooknom
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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I know on KAL international flights they show 3 movies. That should eat up a good chunk of time.
some of the newer planes may have that touchscreen pad thing on the back each seats for watching movies and shows and playing games. |
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europe2seoul
Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| I think I will be travelling about 17 hours that day. I think reading a book will get pretty boring. Just like using my laptop will get boring. And doing Soduku puzzles will get boring. options options options! |
They have free booze. Drink nice expensive drinks, pass out & wake up in Korea. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| Meggiebea wrote: |
| I think I will be travelling about 17 hours that day. I think reading a book will get pretty boring. Just like using my laptop will get boring. And doing Soduku puzzles will get boring. options options options! |
They have free booze. Drink nice expensive drinks, pass out & wake up in Korea. |
I'll drink to that.
Good call, Europe. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I think I will be travelling about 17 hours that day. I think reading a book will get pretty boring. Just like using my laptop will get boring. And doing Soduku puzzles will get boring. options options options! |
They have free booze. Drink nice expensive drinks, pass out & wake up in Korea. |
I'll drink to that.
Good call, Europe. |
Just to let y'all know (cuz I'm sure you don't like to be monitored- I wouldn't...). After you've 2 (or is it 3?) drinks, the flight attendants keep a tab on you and write down in a little notepad how many drinks you've had and share the info with the other flight attendants. At least that's the procedure. I don't know if they actually follow it, but KAL seems pretty by-the-book in regards to their policies/preocedures. Just an FYI.... |
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