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crsandus

Joined: 05 Oct 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: |
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I do work at a hagwon. I almost feel bad for the girl because she is longing for love and companionship, and I feel drawn to her, but the certified teacher part of me keeps saying "no", but certified teachers teach high schoolers or people who are younger and this is quite different. These are paying professionals who are in the age of majority. They can make up their own minds. It might sound corny but I hate seeing a sweet, sensual, warm girl feel lonely, and she seems awesome. I intend, though, to hold out and resist and just do my job.
It can be hard, that I will say. I am not into yellow fever, but I am a humanist and love people. I would prefer a Western girl who is compatible, but I am just a man and feel for this Korean sweet gal.
I am sure you can understand. I wouldn't mind taking it easy being friends with her and being chaperoned with the Korean co-teacher, so I can try to avoid something happening. I just can't help thinking "wow" when I am in her presence. It sounds so wacky, but, again, if I would find a great Western girl that would be preferable for me due to the language and cultural differences and the fact that I am a teacher. |
I think people think too much when it comes to relationships. You should ask yourself basic questions and just follow your gut instincts.
1. Are you both consenting adults?
2. Are you attractive to each other?
3. Do you want to be together?
When you start rationalizing things and thinking about what you ideally "want" (eg. a western girl with similar interests) you kill a lot of things before they have a chance to blossom into something good. I've found that the vast majority of people really don't what they really want. Sure they want a pretty girl/boy who can have a conversation but beyond that it's a crapshoot.
I've seen way too many relationships that had no business lasting longer than 2 weeks end up in happy marriages and I've also seen what seemed like perfect couple end up hating each other and very bitter. I'm not telling you to jump her bones, but stop making excuses to yourself.
If you don't end up doing anything with this girl, she's just end up being another one of those "I wish I had..." type of memories.
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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You are a teacher. Be a teacher. Mark the day on your calendar when she will no longer be your student, then stand next to her and say in whatever language she will understand : "Yes, I noticed you. Do you want to have coffee?"
After you take your first sip of the cafe latte, explain to her that you were also feeling the same chemistry all along, but the role of being teacher kept you from being able to display reciprocal feelings, so it had to wait ...
Yeah, sounds wierd, but it's a wierd situation ... and don't tell anyone, but it happened to me, sort of like that, and she's my wife now. I'm a happy man, and every day I'm doing my best to make her a happy woman. |
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crsandus

Joined: 05 Oct 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: |
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You are a teacher. Be a teacher. Mark the day on your calendar when she will no longer be your student, then stand next to her and say in whatever language she will understand : "Yes, I noticed you. Do you want to have coffee?"
After you take your first sip of the cafe latte, explain to her that you were also feeling the same chemistry all along, but the role of being teacher kept you from being able to display reciprocal feelings, so it had to wait ...
Yeah, sounds wierd, but it's a wierd situation ... and don't tell anyone, but it happened to me, sort of like that, and she's my wife now. I'm a happy man, and every day I'm doing my best to make her a happy woman. |
This is the best reply on this subject I've read so far. Glad things worked out for you Bobster |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Man, this thread makes me feel like an unprofessional creep.
I couldn't help what happened, I was victimized. After class. In my room... |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Uni or hakwon.....I think being a teacher demands certain moral restraints. No matter what you feel for each other, I believe any teacher-student relationship in some way influences the 'recipe', and when stuff goes bad down the line, as the majority of relationships do, it leaves you in a very awkward position. I think if I absolutely had to do something about it, I would tell the girl that, yes, I liked her, and I was interested in her, but that as her teacher, we had to maintain that relationship. If and when you she is not your student, have at it. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Uni or hakwon.....I think being a teacher demands certain moral restraints. No matter what you feel for each other, I believe any teacher-student relationship in some way influences the 'recipe', and when stuff goes bad down the line, as the majority of relationships do, it leaves you in a very awkward position. I think if I absolutely had to do something about it, I would tell the girl that, yes, I liked her, and I was interested in her, but that as her teacher, we had to maintain that relationship. If and when you she is not your student, have at it. |
I agree with that. I am not an opportunist. If a person showed interest, they would have to stop being my pupil or not try to pursue it, and if the person wanted to stay at the place to change teachers. Anyway, this is just a thought. I have a lot of respect for my position, boss, and the person in question. I brought this up because a fellow I know has a fiancee who was once someone he taught (adult, of course). I just would feel weird teaching the person in that case.
Thanks.. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: |
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If they are my student, and I am their teacher, then nothing happens.
Once they stop being my student, well, it's open season. Professional ethics are no longer relevant. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
You are a teacher. Be a teacher. Mark the day on your calendar when she will no longer be your student, then stand next to her and say in whatever language she will understand : "Yes, I noticed you. Do you want to have coffee?"
After you take your first sip of the cafe latte, explain to her that you were also feeling the same chemistry all along, but the role of being teacher kept you from being able to display reciprocal feelings, so it had to wait ...
Yeah, sounds wierd, but it's a wierd situation ... and don't tell anyone, but it happened to me, sort of like that, and she's my wife now. I'm a happy man, and every day I'm doing my best to make her a happy woman. |
There you are. All in a nutshell.
Or, if you want to get cookin' right away, then ask her to change her class/hagwon and ask her out for a coffee! |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for your input. I am not going to do anything. That is what I decided. I am not against hanging out which my Korean co-teacher suggested she do with her and myself. If something is meant to be, then it can happen. I was hired to teach her English, and that is what I am going to do. I can enjoy her presence but more than that would have to mean she can't be my student. I am not desperate to do such a thing. She is a good catch, it seems, but you are not supposed to date your students. Of course, it is hard not to think about that with the way she seems to be in front of me. I also thought about this topic after someone told me that one of his ex-students asked him out (another place), and she is his fiancee. |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| SuperFly wrote: |
| Never poopy where you eat. |
What Poochie said. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| You are a teacher. Be a teacher. Mark the day on your calendar when she will no longer be your student, then stand next to her and say in whatever language she will understand : "Yes, I noticed you. Do you want to have coffee?" |
There you go.
Dating a student that is in one of your classes is just bad policy and a pretty dumb thing to do. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| I myself would think it quite hilarious if an Italian or some other language teacher at a private school back home was having an ethic quandry about whether to date me or not. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Although I spoke out against dating students, I can't really object to dating former students. It's weird, maybe as weird as breaking up with a girl and dating her sister, but not totally wrong.
There are certain relationships built around uneven power that should never lead to dating. Other examples are doctor/patient relationships and boss/employee relationships. You have to wonder, is she attracted to you because of who you are or what you are? If you weren't her teacher, would she ever be attracted to you? |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Although I spoke out against dating students, I can't really object to dating former students. It's weird, maybe as weird as breaking up with a girl and dating her sister, but not totally wrong.
There are certain relationships built around uneven power that should never lead to dating. Other examples are doctor/patient relationships and boss/employee relationships. You have to wonder, is she attracted to you because of who you are or what you are? If you weren't her teacher, would she ever be attracted to you? |
That is definitely something interesting to think about and ponder. I mean I am sure there have been doctors who married a nurse. I remember watching a documentary about the shooting of Reagan and one person who was being treated by a nurse fell in love with her, and they are married. I believe he initiated it. It is different if the patient does it probably.
I am sure it has happened also where a professor had a student interested in him and then after he was no longer her instructor he found it okay. I have a problem with someone being an instructor and dating someone while that person remains a student. It seems unethical to me.
There is no uneven power, now is there? She doesn't know English; I don't know Korean. In Korea, we depend on Koreans quite often.
I teach many students. I enjoy them all. This person is just different.
Of course, I probably won't do anything.
I am more concerned about being ethical than my personal feelings. Anyway, to try to answer your question I enjoy a certain depth to this person. Furthermore, she is intelligent and not superficial, so I don't think if she holds me in esteem that it is misplaced. I never asked her this question because it would obviously violate how I perceive my position. I am going based on the vibes I feel I am getting.
I brought this topic up not because I have any real intentions to do anything rash. I just wanted to know if anyone has to deal with this situation. There is a good chance that a student who eventually married her Wayguk instructor didn't think of that idea before coming to learn English. You may go to the grocery thinking you are only going to get groceries and you may end up finding an awesome person or friend. We also many have had adult friends they met at academies. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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But she's an adult student, no? This is an odd thread. Obviously you're a decent guy (from all your posts on the CE board), you're an adult, she's an adult, you're not her senior in any way except as an English teacher but I assume where you teach at isn't a school where there is huge competition for grades. So what's the problem? "Don't shit where you work" doesn't apply here.
Even if you're not going to go for it (which I suppose is fine as well, but it shouldn't be from any 'moral' concern), if she's that special a person then each of your classes is a gift where you get to spend one-on-one time with her and get to know each other, which is the whole purpose of dating anyway.
Oh, and as for your last paragraph (which I just noticed now), I do speak from experience dating both students and people I worked with in Japan as well as here, and not once was there a problem. Maybe it's lack of emotion that lets me switch back into teacher/coworker mode though at the drop of a hat though, I don't know. I don't know where all the other nightmare stories come from. |
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