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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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 Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: Nemesis is at the door. Shall we let her in? |
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Empire v. Democracy: Why Nemesis Is at Our Door
by Chalmers Johnson and Tom Engelhardt
...I had set out to explain how exactly our government came to be so hated around the world. As a CIA term of tradecraft, "blowback" does not just mean retaliation for things our government has done to, and in, foreign countries. It refers specifically to retaliation for illegal operations carried out abroad that were kept totally secret from the American public. These operations have included the clandestine overthrow of governments various administrations did not like, the training of foreign militaries in the techniques of state terrorism, the rigging of elections in foreign countries, interference with the economic viability of countries that seemed to threaten the interests of influential American corporations, as well as the torture or assassination of selected foreigners. The fact that these actions were, at least originally, secret meant that when retaliation does come � as it did so spectacularly on September 11, 2001 � the American public is incapable of putting the events in context. Not surprisingly, then, Americans tend to support speedy acts of revenge intended to punish the actual, or alleged, perpetrators. These moments of lashing out, of course, only prepare the ground for yet another cycle of blowback...
http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=10439 |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Nemesis is at the door. Shall we let her in? |
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God, even the url is anti-American. I don't imagine this board's American patriots will be wasting their time reading this pile of leftist propaganda. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Empire v. Democracy: Why Nemesis Is at Our Door
2/1/2007
The Forgotten American Dead
1/26/2007
The State Spies on the Union
1/24/2007
Over the Top in Iraq
1/22/2007
George Bush's Crusading Scorecard (2001-2007)
1/19/2007
Bush's Sacrificial Americans
1/13/2007
Raptors, Robots, and Rods from God
1/10/2007
Baghdad 2025: The Pentagon Solution to a Planet of Slums
1/9/2007
The Surge to Nowhere
1/5/2007
Doubling Down on the Imperial Mission in 2007
1/3/2007
Good Evening, Vietnam
12/20/2006
War Without End
12/14/2006
'Today Is Better Than Tomorrow'
12/12/2006
Impunity and Immunity
12/9/2006
How More Produces
Less in Iraq
12/7/2006
The Iraq Study Group Rides to the Rescue � of the Empire
12/5/2006
Indicting Bush
12/1/2006
Iraq's Insurgency
Does It on the Cheap
11/29/2006
Bringing Bush to Court
11/28/2006
What It Means to 'Salvage US Prestige' in Iraq
11/17/2006
The Empire Goes on Defense
11/15/2006
Dubya Votes for Dunkin'
11/14/2006
Apple Pie, Mom, and
a Story for a Lost War
11/13/2006
Reenacting War
11/11/2006
Outlaw Empire Meets the Wave
11/9/2006
November Surprise
11/6/2006
Prison Planet
11/3/2006
Move Over, GI Joe and
Han Solo
11/1/2006
Poppy Wars
10/30/2006
Fiasco Then, Fiasco Now
10/27/2006
The Bush Administration's
War of the Images
10/25/2006
The End of Maliki?
10/21/2006
Snatching Defeat
From Victory's Jaws
10/19/2006
Nine Paradoxes of a Lost War
10/16/2006
Debunking the Armitage Story
10/13/2006 |
This is a list of the other articles availible at this site, which means there's a lot of reading left for R.S.. And he'll say that it's the Bush administration that's into the scaremongering.... Hahahahahahaha. Sad thing is, he probably believes that. If he's into stories that scare people, maybe he should try this link. At least they'd be entertaining.
Chick Publishing |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Nemesis is at the door. Shall we let her in? |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
God, even the url is anti-American. I don't imagine this board's American patriots will be wasting their time reading this pile of leftist propaganda. |
anti-war = anti-American?
That's an interesting supposition. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Nemesis is at the door. Shall we let her in? |
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| Wangja wrote: |
| gang ah jee wrote: |
God, even the url is anti-American. I don't imagine this board's American patriots will be wasting their time reading this pile of leftist propaganda. |
anti-war = anti-American?
That's an interesting supposition. |
Yes, I was just chuckling over that one too.  |
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mnhnhyouh
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think there should be some kind of house committee to explore this sort of anti-American activity!!!
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Nemesis is at the door. Shall we let her in? |
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| Wangja wrote: |
| anti-war = anti-American? |
That's what the neo-cons here have been telling us for years, haven't you been listening to them? |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Nemesis is at the door. Shall we let her in? |
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| twg wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
| anti-war = anti-American? |
That's what the neo-cons here have been telling us for years, haven't you been listening to them? |
No, not really, although I do frequently titter on the sidelines.  |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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This isn't a 'leftist' site. The people who run it are openly libertarian.
But yes, much more productive to shoot the messenger rather than the message.
Huzzah! |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: |
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the reason the world is anti-american is more or less media/educational/intellectual(universities)/and political indoctrination...
let's see
Cubans must endure marathon speeches about imperial yanquistas
Arabs/Muslims read/watch insane amounts of anti-american crap
Europeans are constantly told by their chattering classes that America is something to be either despised or condescended to
Many Latin Americans have centuries of built-up anti-gringo sentiments
Chinese can be whipped up into a nationalistic anti-Americanism in a matter of hours, depending on the tools employed by the mandarins in Beijing...
and much closer to this board's raison d'etre-
don't even get me started on the sickness that pervades Canadaian and Korean socieites when it comes to America.
and these leftisit blowhards think it all just has to do with the Bush administration..... |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
Cubans must endure marathon speeches about imperial yanquistas
Arabs/Muslims read/watch insane amounts of anti-american crap
Europeans are constantly told by their chattering classes that America is something to be either despised or condescended to
Many Latin Americans have centuries of built-up anti-gringo sentiments
Chinese can be whipped up into a nationalistic anti-Americanism in a matter of hours, depending on the tools employed by the mandarins in Beijing... |
And all of this exists in a vacuum? None of it has any basis in valid grievance? America has done nothing to earn the anger of the any of these peoples?
By the standards on this board, I am not a leftist in international politics, but neither am I blind. America's hands are filthy in each of the regions you mention. That doesn't mean any or all of them are righteous, but those people have earned their anger at America. We have fucked all them, hard. They have arrived at their anger at us legitimately.
None of this means I think Castro is a good man, that the Middle Eastern despots are in the right, that China is the best hope for the world. But we have screwed all of these people, unjustly, for our own selfish reasons.
Wake up. The reason much of the world is anti-American is because we have been awful, rotten bassturds in the conduct of our foreign affairs for at least the last century, with a few notable [possible] exceptions. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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that's bullshit....
we saved this world from both facism and communism.
it boils down to jealousy...
why do canadians have issues with toronto?
why do upstate New Yorkers have problems with NYC?
why do many French dislike Paris?
Even if the US had prevented the world from being taken over by facists, communists, various empires/tribes (the spanish, germans, japanese) in the most perfect way....
we'd still be hated.
It's human nature to mix together feelings of jealousy and hatred. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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If she's hot, yes.
If she's hot and has pie, doubly yes. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
the reason the world is anti-american is more or less media/educational/intellectual(universities)/and political indoctrination...
let's see
Cubans must endure marathon speeches about imperial yanquistas
Arabs/Muslims read/watch insane amounts of anti-american crap
Europeans are constantly told by their chattering classes that America is something to be either despised or condescended to
Many Latin Americans have centuries of built-up anti-gringo sentiments
Chinese can be whipped up into a nationalistic anti-Americanism in a matter of hours, depending on the tools employed by the mandarins in Beijing...
and much closer to this board's raison d'etre-
don't even get me started on the sickness that pervades Canadaian and Korean socieites when it comes to America.
and these leftisit blowhards think it all just has to do with the Bush administration..... |
Thanks for the what, too bad you can't establish the why. Where were you edumacated again? |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| None of this means I think Castro is a good man, that the Middle Eastern despots are in the right, that China is the best hope for the world. But we have screwed all of these people, unjustly, for our own selfish reasons |
Our own selfish reasons??? Uhhh although I'll say that American's have gotten their hands dirty, I'll have to remind you about something called the Cold War...see sometimes in war you have to team up with people you don't like....Also a lot of that anti-americanism is just plain ignorance built around some facts...In spain I met so many people who wanted to tell me about how evil the american government it....like oh they could have invaded japan and not lost many american lives..they dropped the bomb because they wanted to use their new technology....seriously I've heard people say this....people who have no fricken clue about american loses and what it took to root the japanese out from each tiny island in the pacific...also people who act like the soviet union not only wasn't imperialist but seem to be unaware that it existed....could america have afforded to let soviet castro sytle governments prop up all over south america????sure no problem...let's all become commies |
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