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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| I'm with the last two posters. Explain why you think this is a "bigger" story, or even why it should be a "big" story of any degree. |
The slant of media is that the church is corrupt, and full of hypocrites. However, when Ted Haggert's lover blows the whistle on him, the media jumps on it. Full blown news for weeks.....another pastor who is a hypocrite and even worse; a homosexual hypocrite. A delightful story for those who hate the church.
However, the real story is how the church reacts to the whistle blower. Instead of hating him or condemning him like most corporations or government bodies would, the church members react to him with kindness and thanks.
Now that's the real story. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
well if the church were in saudi, it might make the news at 10. 
Colorado though? afraid not. |
Is Colorado one of the more loony areas? I thought is wasn't.. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Is Colorado one of the more loony areas? I thought is wasn't.. |
Colorado Springs is the headquarters to a number of evangelical churches (such as Haggard's). That's the closest thing it comes to loony. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't that where the weird Mormon types are too? I think the town from Big Love (HBO) was based on CS. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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The slant of media is that the church is corrupt, and full of hypocrites. However, when Ted Haggert's lover blows the whistle on him, the media jumps on it. Full blown news for weeks.....another pastor who is a hypocrite and even worse; a homosexual hypocrite. A delightful story for those who hate the church.
However, the real story is how the church reacts to the whistle blower. Instead of hating him or condemning him like most corporations or government bodies would, the church members react to him with kindness and thanks.
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No, the real story is the first one. Ted Haggard was a big player in the movement against same-sex marriage, which was a major political issue. His association with the prostitute forced him to leave his position at the church and his role in the anti-ssm movement. So that is a POLITICAL story, and was given the appropriate amount of coverage.
The prostitute visiting the church, on the other hand, had no political ramifications, and is best thought of as a human-interest story, significant only because of its connection to the more important political story. So it was given a due amount of coverage, then dropped.
If Mary Jo Kopechne's family issued a statement saying that they were no longer angry at Ted Kennedy, would you expect people to still be talking about it in thirty years, the way they still discuss the original incident? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| What you won't see on CNN... |
Back to this thread's illuminating title. Commonly-heard criticism.
Here is what you will not see on CNN: everything from every perspective. Does that mean that CNN or any other source's information is bogus?
I just read Woland's summary on "objective truth" on another thread. Just to follow up on what he said (and here is as good a place as any to articulate it): there is no final answer to anything. There is no Olympian perspective. Or if there is, we humans will not likely ever attain it. Perceptual, linguistic, and other limitations. Anytime we merely form words we bend, distort, and do violence to "reality" -- whatever that is.
When I see books, articles, theses, and newsreports criticized "for failing to address gender, the environment, 'the cultural turn,' this or that nation or political interest group's perspective," etc., I always ask: does this critic believe that should this or that author rewrite his or her work to address such things, then it might represent the Truth?
If not, why not accept the other perspective as just that: another perspective?
See Karl Mannheim's Weimar-era Ideology and Utopia: An Introduction to the Sociology of Knowledge. Predates postmodernism by several decades and does not make a nihilistic case. Rather, people can and should recognize which interests are at stake in this or that perspective, not judge or evaluate any of them, exchange views in a practical manner, and live with uncertainty. |
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chamisul
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
The slant of media is that the church is corrupt, and full of hypocrites. However, when Ted Haggert's lover blows the whistle on him, the media jumps on it. Full blown news for weeks.....another pastor who is a hypocrite and even worse; a homosexual hypocrite. A delightful story for those who hate the church.
However, the real story is how the church reacts to the whistle blower. Instead of hating him or condemning him like most corporations or government bodies would, the church members react to him with kindness and thanks.
Now that's the real story. |
The former involves a church leader living a life that was directly opposed to the standards he set for himself AND tried to impose on everyone else.
The latter involves christians living up to the standards they set for themselves.
Your complaint reminds me of the Chris Rock bit on nigg-rs.
"Nigg-rs always want credit for some sh-t they're supposed to do." |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| That's the closest thing it comes to loony |
Loony churches aren't the only thing Colorado has going for it. It has its share of Survivalists and Militias, too.
Personally, I attribute it to the thin air. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Isn't that where the weird Mormon types are too? I think the town from Big Love (HBO) was based on CS. |
No, that is Colorado City, which is in AZ, near the UT border.
Wikipedia |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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No, the real story is the first one. Ted Haggard was a big player in the movement against same-sex marriage, which was a major political issue. His association with the prostitute forced him to leave his position at the church and his role in the anti-ssm movement. So that is a POLITICAL story, and was given the appropriate amount of coverage.
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Is the press designed to be the moral authority of the 21st century? Whenever there is a failure they are the watchmen who bring about the news to the world. Forecasting the failures of churches, businesses and governements? If so, no wonder this world is so filled with hatred and bitterness.
Have you ever watched "Rudy" or "The Titans"? What was the real story in each of these shows? The fact that they won or that they overcame great adversity to become winners.
The same is true of this story. It wasn't merely a prostitute that came into the church to talk to its members, but it was the man who slept with Ted Haggert. And not only was he not rejected, but embraced for bringing truth and revelation.
It reminds me of the story where there was that school killing in the Amish city. The real story wasn't of all the horrific killing and violence, but was of the forgiveness given to the wife of the man and her family.
The media has done a great disservice to the world by being the critical watchmen of all powerful outlets. Instead of properly discerning stories and giving credit where credit is due, they have tried to undermine the truth by promoting a unhealthy agenda of propaganda. This can be said of the CNN, Fox News and msn. These agents of smear have glorified the things that shouldn't be glorified and have suppressed what should be revealed.
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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I agree with Gopher that one should take the perspective of CNN not as evil or horrible but as just another perspective from which to learn from.
I make a point of going to horrible films or atleast those I wouldn't normally choose, simply because it helps me define the criteria by which I think a "good" film should be judged. You have to step in the mud from time to time, so that you know the value of avoiding it .....
I would also point out that Colorado of course is home to Columbine and also a lot of good old weapons manufacturing. NORAD also. Not much more looney than that...
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Whenever there is a failure they are the watchmen who bring about the news to the world. Forecasting the failures of churches, businesses and governements? If so, no wonder this world is so filled with hatred and bitterness. |
no news = good news, good news = no news
People don't pay to hear good news. You can't really blame the press. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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I just got back from Travelling to India and Thailand and looking at the national newspapers and watching CNN and BBC in various hotels. When you speak of bias, as a few people have already pointed out, it's essentially impossible to find something without bias. Looking at CNN, it's much easier to look at it as one more source of information. Fox News shows far more bias than CNN, but as long as you're aware of that bias/slant, then let the press remian free.
All that said, and the point of my post, I was HIGHLY impressed by the BBC. They had a leading expert and key-contributor to the recently released climate change report. Now if you're loony conservative I know what you'd expect this interview to be like and the fact was that it was about the furthest thing from how conservatives depict the BBC. The interviewer, one of their main hosts, essentially challenged everything and anything the report and the man being interviewed said. And for the most part it was far more than just challenge, it was had an aggressiveness to it that I honestly can't recall seeing. Moreover, it was an aggressiveness that was not the attack style radio-jock mantra, but exceptionally well laid out attacks on the report, the conclusions and the solutions proposed, rather than an attack on the person being interviewed.
Fantastic interview and something that I wish we saw far more of in media throughout the world. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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I just got back from Travelling to India and Thailand and looking at the national newspapers and watching CNN and BBC in various hotels. When you speak of bias, as a few people have already pointed out, it's essentially impossible to find something without bias. Looking at CNN, it's much easier to look at it as one more source of information. Fox News shows far more bias than CNN, but as long as you're aware of that bias/slant, then let the press remian free.
All that said, and the point of my post, I was HIGHLY impressed by the BBC. They had a leading expert and key-contributor to the recently released climate change report. Now if you're loony conservative I know what you'd expect this interview to be like and the fact was that it was about the furthest thing from how conservatives depict the BBC. The interviewer, one of their main hosts, essentially challenged everything and anything the report and the man being interviewed said. And for the most part it was far more than just challenge, it was had an aggressiveness to it that I honestly can't recall seeing. Moreover, it was an aggressiveness that was not the attack style radio-jock mantra, but exceptionally well laid out attacks on the report, the conclusions and the solutions proposed, rather than an attack on the person being interviewed.
Fantastic interview and something that I wish we saw far more of in media throughout the world. |
Yes I miss the BBC. Real quality news programs and documentaries. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I would also point out that Colorado of course is home to Columbine and also a lot of good old weapons manufacturing. NORAD also. Not much more looney than that... |
So, is NORAD-member Canada a looney country then?
(please, no dollar coin jokes) |
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