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[huffdaddy]

Who would blame religion for this heinous crime?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/262503,CST-NWS-threedead18.article

[Adventurer]

Not really. It isn't religion per se. I remember watching something about a Syrian Christian labourer in Lebanon beat his wife to deat in Lebanon. It was tragic. It happens too often in Latin America as well.
The problem is the society doesn't yet highlight abuses against children and women. There was a conference about child abuse in Jordan some years back, so there is a fight against violence. Some of the people feel if a woman goes against the will of the husband, his honour is violated.
Of course, that is very lame, but that is what is at play. Things like this could have been among Persians when they were Zoroastrians or Muslims. They were not exactly progressive in ancient times either.
The Muslim world does have a very bad record when it comes to highlighting the human rights situation for women. Iran is quite bad.
I remember some woman who set herself on fire, because she didn't like the human rights situation there.

[huffdaddy]

[thepeel]

I thought you went to grad school?

The people who this is directed at (me?) only repeat what the muslims themselves say.

So, to refresh. Muslim walks into LAX and starts killing jews for allah at El Al. Religious motivation. Direct from the Koran.

Then, some crazy guy walks into a mall in SLC, and kills people cause he is crazy. No connection to islam.

The problem, here, the real problem, is poeple who refuse to accept that islam commands muslims to kill infidels. It is in the koran. Hundreds upon hundreds of millions of muslims believe the koran to be 100% true. Don't be surprised when they act as such.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDxM9oHLp3k
In song.

[huffdaddy]

[Sincinnatislink]

[Slep]

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[Adventurer]

Why was the Salt Lake City case mentioned? The European fellow was born a Muslim, and that is all we know. We have no mention of a certain mosque frequented, hanging out with Wahhabis etc.... We just know his family survived a horrible massacre when he was 7 years old, and he went nuts 11 years later. Simply connecting the murder to the religion we don't even know if he really practiced is kind of prejudicial and assumes if someone is born a Jew, Christian, or a Muslim they must automatically act a certain way and where they are from geographically and their origin has no bearing. That isn't sound political or cultural analysis.

As far as terrorism, you can connect it to politics not simply religion. Religion is used to simply explain away inconvenient truths if I can borrow the words of Al Gore. We don't want to talk about what has happened in the Middle East during the past 4 decades and that over a million have died due to wars, fanatics were encouraged, and the angry folk claim that they were victims of state sponsored terrorism from the West. You would say they are wrong, and they would say they are right. Who is wrong? Who is right?

What is happening is a Byzantine argument, the dialogue of the deaf and the dumb and you hear the holier than thou attitudes from people from Cairo to people from New York or London. It doesn't solve the political problems that need to be solved. I agree with Bush that change is needed in the Middle East, but not the way he was doing it. Lately, his encouragement of the Lebanese government, changing of command in Iraq, and having more of a strategy is better and talking a lot with Arab allies.

We need solutions rather than simply maligning certain groups. I do have a problem with many Muslims, think many mosques should be monitored in the U.S., there should be extensive security checks of people who immigrate to the West from certain countries, and those with moderate views should be separated from those who will come to the West and then look down on the people from the West who welcomed them, but you have to have a balance i.e. a Yin and Yang and deal with the political problems that is creating clashes.

[Sincinnatislink]

I'll spare you my obvious chomskyite arguments about morphing "Guerrilla Warfare" to "Terrorism" based on who's doing the same thing to whom.

Of course, this all traces at least to Orwell writing about the Spanish Civil War, if we're talking about English-speakers.

[Sincinnatislink]

Sorry. I'll start editing my posts BEFORE I submit.

Religion is a means to promote violence. I think it's stupid, but you're entitled to think what you think.

Christianity is every bit the currently effective tool for violence that Islam is.

Countries with largely christian populations use "Guerrilla Warfare."

Islamic theocracies use "Terrorism."

Nobody bothers to point out they're the same damn thing.
My self-defensive rant goes here, after the above.

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[Slep]

[Teufelswacht]

I think the murderer is an Assyrian from Iran. I may be mistaken but aren't a majority of Assyrians Christian? This case has much more to due with a culture than a religion.

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