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Ha,ha! Shocked new 'manager' needs textbook recommendations.
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swetepete



Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: a limp little burg

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Ha,ha! Shocked new 'manager' needs textbook recommendations. Reply with quote

I've just been informed that we don't have all our textbooks ordered for the new semester. The person who'd been responsible for that has quit, and is leaving at the end of the month, and nobody told me I'd be the new go-to guy until, uh, like five minutes ago.

Retards. They could've mentioned it like TWO WEEKS ago...or mentioned that the last person hadn't got things squared away, or even close. But no, that would make way too much sense.

So, has anybody got any good reccomendations for elementary and middle school level textbooks? What are some of your favorites?
We're now using Oxford Fantastic, but they are kind of weak. Not Fantastic at all.
Any help would be appreciated. Just trying to make the most of a dumb situation here.
Thanks!
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not your job, don't bother!
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
Not your job, don't bother!


I agree.
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Return Jones



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Location: I will see you in far-off places

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
Not your job, don't bother!


I'd love to stick it to a sh*t for brains hagwon manager too, but problem is if the teacher doesn't choose books, he'll have nothing to do during class.

For elementary school (my chosen specialty) I like the Super Kids series. Some people will disagree, but it has worked well for me for about two years.

I think there was a thread about a month ago about elementary school books. Do a search and see what you come up with. Good luck!
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

English time was a favorite of mine when I was in teaching in hogwans.

The units are well organized and concise. A good voab section to start things out. A section with dialog and a writing section. Always managed to fill a 50 minute class with one unit without a problem.

Hope you get more suggestions....
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swetepete



Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: a limp little burg

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tips--and yeah, Spliff and yingwenlaoshi, it's certainly not the job I agreed on when I signed the contract...but really, I prefer taking the reins now, rather than crossing my arms petulantly while this idiot team I've shackled my wagon to careens off into who-knows-what. If I can make a go of it, good for me; if I can't, well, I can always quit!
I'm optimistic I can make lemonade here though. Should be alright...it's an asspain to be sure, and another bolt in my quarrel, so to speak, of reasons to not work in small disorganized schools ever again. But, in the short-term meantime, better to lead than to follow, right? If I don't do it, the next FAS baby they hire will probably do an even worse job of it than the last.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alyallen wrote:
English time was a favorite of mine when I was in teaching in hogwans.

The units are well organized and concise. A good voab section to start things out. A section with dialog and a writing section. Always managed to fill a 50 minute class with one unit without a problem.

Hope you get more suggestions....


Yes, ET is good. You can really stretch it out to 2 pages per class and keep reviewing what they've learned. It takes me sometimes maybe 3 one-hour classes to do one unit for lower levels. I'd say 2 units a week (3 classes) for the brightest class. It let's you pick apart their pronunciation and provides lots of room to teach grammar and to translate.

Gets a little tricky when you get to ET5. The Conversation Times (at the start of the unit) get pretty tricky to explain if the students are too young/less advanced. Same goes with the Reading Time. The Reading Times are good though because you can make them answer the questions in full sentences as is with Your Time. Good stuff.

Had this temporary teacher teaching the half-hour class after my hour and she was accepting they answer without making full sentences. Like yes/no or one-word answers. Pretty bad.
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are making a wrong choice about being volunteered into being the head ass-wipe. Primarily having to wipe your boss' ass and clean up after his mess.

Why would you even bother/consider? I hope you're gettin a shit load of money for being volunteered into being the head ass-wipe. Just consider it as your beginning of your end because they'll just pile the shit on you like there's no tomorrow. Have fun..... Wink
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, if you know of a good book, suggest it. Don't spend hours upon hours thinking and planning about this. Then leave it at that. Don't do anything else. You're paid to teach. That's it. If you're teaching 6 classes/day, there's nothing else to be done.

Screw prep. Screw making a curriculum. Screw tests. Screw reports. Do what you can within the time frame you were hired to do it. If they want more, they can pay you overtime that you can work at your discretion.
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swetepete



Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: a limp little burg

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep, they're paying me extra. my contract is 4 hours a day, and everything else, overtime. if they welch, I leave.
I'm not too worried really. If it works out, great, and if not...well, I was kinda thinking 'greener pastures' anyways.
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buster brown



Joined: 26 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll agree with others about English Time. I've only used books 4 and 5, but the curriculum is good, there are extra copiable worksheets and tests in the teacher's book, and the teacher's book has lots of additional activities to help reinforce what you're teaching. That said, I also don't think you can go wrong with Let's Go. Both are published by Oxford and have very similar styles. Just make sure they spring for the teacher's book no matter which series you suggest.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too can recommend english time....
Well thought out but quite to the point and the worksheets and tests are quite good...

Make sure you get the teachers books with the student books
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Hyeon Een



Joined: 24 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

English Time is good!

I'm amazed you got through one whole unit a class. That is 4 pages. That is do-able if they know the stuff already.. and you're kinda reviewing.. but.. I was teaching English Time just recently and I went with 1 page a 50 minute class. Then we'd play a game which would reinforce the vocab/grammar/phonics of that page. Sometimes I'd do 2 pages. I had no guidelines so I just went with what felt good. I felt like I was blasting through the book when I was doing 2 pages instead of one a day though.

(I was their only teacher though, they weren't learning with a K-teacher outside of my class)
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b_canadian_eh



Joined: 21 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We use SuperKids as well as Backpack and English Zone for our elementary kids. The lower levels for both EZ and and BP are pretty good. Higher than 3... big jump between levels.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyeon Een wrote:
English Time is good!

I'm amazed you got through one whole unit a class. That is 4 pages. That is do-able if they know the stuff already.. and you're kinda reviewing.. but.. I was teaching English Time just recently and I went with 1 page a 50 minute class. Then we'd play a game which would reinforce the vocab/grammar/phonics of that page. Sometimes I'd do 2 pages. I had no guidelines so I just went with what felt good. I felt like I was blasting through the book when I was doing 2 pages instead of one a day though.

(I was their only teacher though, they weren't learning with a K-teacher outside of my class)


Very stretchoutable curriculum. They're learning and you're riding the freeway to free money.
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