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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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you're proving my point again...
I didn't attack anyone....
I used an example. AN EXAMPLE. That's NOT an attack.
What do people like you do? Get all up in arms over an example. A legit, accurate example.
I was expecting a discussion between left and right wingers.
Moreover, I don't really call anyone names other than dave's resident roads scholar. That was my point.
As for cheap troll, that goes to my point again. Everything doesn't have to be a troll? Things can be rational, calm, and interesting discussions. Someone could have pointed out some leftwing hypocrisy or nonsense. Instead it was someone calling me a douche... |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: re: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
I would like to point out that religious wingnutters never fail to say the Goddess is punishing people for being immoral:
Katrina, Falwell said it was because the city was immoral.
HIV, many nutbars have said this was punishment for being gay, nevermind that most people who have HIV are women.
There are many more examples, so maybe she does punish immoral people.
I doubt it though. |
She doesn't give a flying f*ck about morality. That's why I love her.
Peace |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
| I was expecting a discussion between left and right wingers. |
Look - what the hell is wrong with you? What you wrote is not discussion-starting material. It's fighting words. It needlessly insults both conservatives and Christians, and gives ammunition to rear ends like stevemcgarrett who would like crow over the supposed moral bankruptcy of atheists or the left or whatever. Starting a gloating 'where's your God now?' thread about a minor Whitehouse functionary's terminal illness isn't a way to start a discussion, it's trying to pick a fight. It's trolling. If you can't see that, then you're either being disingenuous or you cheated on your IQ test. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| freethought wrote: |
| I was expecting a discussion between left and right wingers. |
Look - what the hell is wrong with you? What you wrote is not discussion-starting material. It's fighting words. It needlessly insults both conservatives and Christians, and gives ammunition to rear ends like stevemcgarrett who would like crow over the supposed moral bankruptcy of atheists or the left or whatever. Starting a gloating 'where's your God now?' thread about a minor Whitehouse functionary's terminal illness isn't a way to start a discussion, it's trying to pick a fight. It's trolling. If you can't see that, then you're either being disingenuous or you cheated on your IQ test. |
Perhaps I can simply discuss things without going crazy? I would say that's a sign of intelligence....
Trolling, no, this is trolling: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=82439
What I did was frame things in a way to provoke, provoke a reaction, and a discussion, and there have been a few rationale replies, unfortunately none of yours count toward those few.
As I said, someone posts something about leftists, or conservatives or whatever that I disagree with, unless it's blatantly bigoted and inaccurate, I'll reply with counterpoints, not calling someone a 'douche'.
I'll use this example to illustrate:
If someone argues "that the people who died in NO because of katrina died because they were poor or too stupid to get out of the way." I would counter with the fact that rich, white people also didn't get out of the way. I would counter by asking why these people were poor and didn't get out of the way, as a critic of education and social welfare systems. In short, there are counters to be made to illegitimate points, which are valid discussions, despite the horror that is associated with them.
Same goes for this case, with the exception that unlike the example above, there really isn't anything 'inaccurate' about my posts/arguments.
Discussions are possible, only if others are willing to participate. As is the case all too frequently on this board, this thread demonstrates that there are few that are willing to participate. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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I don't consider Freethought to be a serious poster. His opening post was pure trolling.
(And I am not interested in hearing Freethought's arguments as to why I should take him seriously.) |
Exactly. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
I don't consider Freethought to be a serious poster. His opening post was pure trolling.
(And I am not interested in hearing Freethought's arguments as to why I should take him seriously.) |
Exactly. |
That's fine. I guess I need to start calling everyone a 'douche' in order to be considered a serious poster... I'll not that for future reference.
That said, I don't put much stalk in what OTOH says, seeing as they describe themself in the following way:
On the other hand wrote:
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| Well, I'll be brutally honest here and say that I sometimes do find myself having problems with reading comprehension, espcially if things aren't expressed in anything but a straightforward expository way. Hints and implications sometimes go right over my head. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
| gang ah jee wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
I don't consider Freethought to be a serious poster. His opening post was pure trolling.
(And I am not interested in hearing Freethought's arguments as to why I should take him seriously.) |
Exactly. |
That's fine. I guess I need to start calling everyone a 'douche' in order to be considered a serious poster... I'll not that for future reference.
That said, I don't put much stalk in what OTOH says, seeing as they describe themself in the following way:
On the other hand wrote:
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| Well, I'll be brutally honest here and say that I sometimes do find myself having problems with reading comprehension, espcially if things aren't expressed in anything but a straightforward expository way. Hints and implications sometimes go right over my head. |
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Who is "they"? Why not put in a little more stalk? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
Discussions are possible, only if others are willing to participate. As is the case all too frequently on this board, this thread demonstrates that there are few that are willing to participate. |
Ok, so you ARE dense. Thanks for the confirmation.
Honestly, did you really think you'd get a good discussion from the way you presented the OP? Do you not admit you could have presented the topic in a more neutral, less offensive way?
You know how many people on this thread agree with your general point? nearly everyone. How many people are taking your side? Umm one? two? Shouldn't that tell you something??
And when people are trying to clue you in and say what I just said above, you whine and complain even more. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| freethought wrote: |
Discussions are possible, only if others are willing to participate. As is the case all too frequently on this board, this thread demonstrates that there are few that are willing to participate. |
Ok, so you ARE dense. Thanks for the confirmation.
Honestly, did you really think you'd get a good discussion from the way you presented the OP? Do you not admit you could have presented the topic in a more neutral, less offensive way?
You know how many people on this thread agree with your general point? nearly everyone. How many people are taking your side? Umm one? two? Shouldn't that tell you something??
And when people are trying to clue you in and say what I just said above, you whine and complain even more. |
Listen, or rather, I should be saying read, I guess.... I DID say I could have framed it differently. I chose not to. Why? To provoke. Did it work, no. Does that make me the dense one, no. As I explained, I can deal with a little provocation, and if I can deal with it, and others can't, how exactly does that make ME he dense one??? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
I DID say I could have framed it differently. I |
Where did you say that? |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| freethought wrote: |
I DID say I could have framed it differently. I |
Where did you say that? |
I wrote:
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| What I did was frame things in a way to provoke, provoke a reaction, and a discussion, |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| My father has cancer, is he being punished for something? The guy has led a non-religous church for years and served God best he could. I believe God has something better that can come from this. |
I agree! Sometimes, we can't see the truths in the middle of the storm, but if we hold on, then it comes in time. |
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