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what's making Pat Robertson's skin crawl

 
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mack4289



Joined: 06 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:12 am    Post subject: what's making Pat Robertson's skin crawl Reply with quote

Somewhere Jerry Falwell is reading this and thinking, "Man, that's f*cked up." Not for the daughter holding out til marriage part, and not for the father giving up porn. It's the idea of holding a ball where the daughter basically says, "Dad, I promise not to start f*cking until I'm married", and the father says, "And honey, I promise not to beat off to porn." Doesn't that creep you out?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/lf_afp/afplifestyleussexchastity_070322082138

"In what is becoming a trend among conservative Christians in the United States, girls as young as nine are pledging to their fathers to remain virgins until they wed, in elaborate ceremonies dubbed "Purity Balls."

The gala affairs are intended to celebrate the father-daughter relationship.

The highlight is when the fathers and daughters exchange vows, with dad signing a covenant to protect his daughter's chastity by living an unblemished life and the daughter promising not to have sex until marriage.

Many fathers at the ceremonies also slip "purity rings" around the finger of their misty-eyed daughters or offer them "chastity bracelets" and other jewelry that the girls can entrust to their husbands on their wedding night.

"The father makes a pledge that he is going to keep his mind pure and be faithful to her mother and there is also a time when there is a conversation about putting the right kinds of things in your mind, such as the father not using pornography," Leslee Unruh, founder of Abstinence Clearinghouse, a leader in the so-called purity movement, told AFP in describing the balls.

.... The popularity of the balls in the United States, especially among evangelical Christians, mirrors the Bush administration's support of abstinence education in US schools. The government's funding for such initiatives has more than doubled in recent years to 206 million dollars (150 million euros).

But critics say that while teaching abstinence to children may be laudable, it is just as essential to make them aware of sexually transmitted diseases and condom use.

They also point to studies showing that the majority of adolescents who take purity pledges break them within a few years, often by engaging in risky and unprotected sex.

One study conducted by researchers at the universities of Columbia and Yale found that 88 percent of pledgers wind up having sex before marriage.

"Unfortunately these young people tend, once they start to have sex, to have more partners in a shorter period of time and to use contraception much less than their non-pledging peers," said Debra Hauser, executive vice president at Advocates for Youth, a Washington-based non-profit organization.

"Teens may pledge with the best of intention... and then as they break their pledges they are so shamed and embarrassed that it's unlikely they will go for help."
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all of the disease out there, this sounds like a smart idea- especially for those who live near big cities.
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JMO



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i made the pledge to not drink alcahol and do drugs at my confirmation. Out of my class I think 80% had drank before they were 14(two years later) and the majority ahd done drugs(E or weed mainly) by the time they were 16. Pledges do not work.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with educating kids and giving them the facts. Beyond that, you gotta trust them.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds creepy to me.

For one thing, what kid is going to refuse to take the pledge if Dad/Mom ask? "No, Dad. I plan to pull a train with the football team when I finally get to high school..." No, I don't think the kids are freely choosing to attend or not attend this kind of 'ball'.

Secondly, why is it only the girls who are taking the pledge? Why aren't the sons? Is virginity something only important for girls?

I do think current pop culture is too sex-obsessed, but this alternative seems virginity-obsessed. What's wrong with a little moderation?
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Many fathers at the ceremonies also slip "purity rings" around the finger of their misty-eyed daughters


Paging Doctor Freud.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPClWkEdES8
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Novernae



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
With all of the disease out there, this sounds like a smart idea- especially for those who live near big cities.


How is it a smart idea when studies have shown that pledge takers are more likely to have unsafe sex with more partners?


wylies99 wrote:
Nothing wrong with educating kids and giving them the facts. Beyond that, you gotta trust them.


You've got to remember who we're dealing with here.
Of course there's nothing wrong with educating kids, but the fundies sure think there's something wrong with it. They'd rather keep their kids in that dark about anything that disagrees with what a few random men a couple of thousand years ago felt was 'moral.' They don't trust their kids. They think that if you tell your kids how to be smart about sex the kids are just going to go out and have sex. Rolling Eyes They are right not to trust their kids with knowledge. The more their kids learn to think, the more likely they are to see how backwards and wrong their parents and religious leaders are. Shocked Fundies aren't allowed to think for themselves.
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The Great Toad



Joined: 12 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is inane as it is a non-issue to any father and mother who raise their daughter to be a maid in white till wed...

I do not expect you post-hippie types to look at this in favor ether as we all know them dag burn Hippies done run off ta Canada cuz the rest of you blasted (and take that as a burnt lung/brian reference too) are all in that cold wasteland where the only thing good there is Molson Golden and canoeing 'cept for da skeeters.

Ur all the lot of you never gonna stay married and romantically stable with ur terrible attitudes...

If you all were humble and as pure minded as me you be much better off in the long term relationships....

Also- Canada in Korea teachers please stop Pmin me pictures of yourselves waving your bracelets and rings. I am not going to Korea for a while anyway.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's creepy.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
It's creepy.


very much so.
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only fundies would deal with teen sex, pregnancies, and STIs by essentially sticking their fingers in their ears and loudly singing Bringing In The Sheep in the hope it'll all go away.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's seriously twisted. The little kid is just following daddy's wishes. Daddy needs therapy.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they having a similar ho(e) down for the boys?
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