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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: Ilsan Hogwon Association and St. Andrew's |
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| What should be done by the association about its schools like St. Andrew's that treat their teachers badly? |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Who wants to publicise the stance of the association? |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Come to think of it, a demonstration in front of the the building that houses the association might force them to stop supporting the St. Andrew's Hogwon in their crooked war against one of our fellow expatriotes.
God bless the beleagured teacher and shame on St. Andrew's and the Ilsan-gu Hokwon Association!
Roch |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Roch wrote: |
Come to think of it, a demonstration in front of the the building that houses the association might force them to stop supporting the St. Andrew's Hogwon in their crooked war against one of our fellow expatriotes.
God bless the beleagured teacher and shame on St. Andrew's and the Ilsan-gu Hokwon Association!
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Come to think of it, a demonstration might get us fined and deported for partaking in activities which are expressly forbidden by our visas.
But do go ahead and demonstrate...and be sure and tell us how it turned out. Good luck in your war for justice!  |
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jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Only bad owners attend hogwan association meetings. At those meetings, they try to set standards like salary caps for teachers, the standardisation of contract terms (like how many vacation days, overtime pay, etc.), and how to deal with any labour disputes. Those associations have been set up to protect the owners and screw the workers, not to improve the industry.
So, what should the hogwan association do about a bad school? They should give the owner a slap on the back for keeping it's workers in their places and the money flow going strong.
It is illegal for foreigners to partake in demonstrations or to become organised, politically or even in a labour union. |
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, there has been a recent court ruling, a few months back, that may have set a precedent to allow foreigners to start a union here. |
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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| It is illegal for foreigners to partake in demonstrations or to become organised, politically or even in a labour union. |
However, it is not against the law for us to form an association, as long as we clearly are not a union. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| archer904 wrote: |
| jazblanc77 wrote: |
| It is illegal for foreigners to partake in demonstrations or to become organised, politically or even in a labour union. |
However, it is not against the law for us to form an association, as long as we clearly are not a union. |
This is like the fourth time I've tried to respond to this post. What's wrong with Dave's? I kept getting error messages.
What is the difference between an association and a union? What can an association do without breaking the law? Can one pass out literature telling other foreigners about Korean laws, what recourse they have, assisting them if they are in some kind of trouble etc...? |
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Samantha
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Location: Jinan-dong Hwaseong
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
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| jazblanc77 wrote: |
| It is illegal for foreigners to partake in demonstrations or to become organised, politically or even in a labour union. |
However, it is not against the law for us to form an association, as long as we clearly are not a union. |
This is like the fourth time I've tried to respond to this post. What's wrong with Dave's? I kept getting error messages.
What is the difference between an association and a union? What can an association do without breaking the law? Can one pass out literature telling other foreigners about Korean laws, what recourse they have, assisting them if they are in some kind of trouble etc...? |
I would think a union would be a group of people that gather to discuss issues facing themselves and others in the same line of work. The members of the group would then pay dues to a governing/oversight board in the attempt to change the system.
An association would do the same thing without the dues.
So I think it's the idea of the money. Unions also tend to be mandatory whereas an association is almost always voluntary.
But that's just my 2 cents worth  |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Can the Hogwan Association be held legally liable for the actions of any of its members? Probably not, but if they encourage such behavior, they should be. |
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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: |
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