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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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 Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: PS having difficulties hiring replacement teachers |
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I don't understand this for the life of me. I work at a public school in Incheon. We got paperwork from the Board of Education at the end of March asking me if I was going to renew. I had already decided I wasn't going to. Another teacher in a near by school didn't as well and her contract was up before mine (mine is up at the end of May).
My English Coordinator told me that the other school hasn't gotten a replacement teacher yet and probably won't for awhile. She also said our school probably get a replacement for a few months after I leave.
I know there are a lot of school waiting for teachers, but I don't understand why they can't replace the teachers that are leaving. Not that it effect me any, but it's kind of stupid that they are not organized enough to hire replacements with two months notice.
It's just rediculous.... |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:55 am Post subject: Re: PS having difficulties hiring replacement teachers |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
I don't understand this for the life of me. I work at a public school in Incheon. We got paperwork from the Board of Education at the end of March asking me if I was going to renew. I had already decided I wasn't going to. Another teacher in a near by school didn't as well and her contract was up before mine (mine is up at the end of May).
My English Coordinator told me that the other school hasn't gotten a replacement teacher yet and probably won't for awhile. She also said our school probably get a replacement for a few months after I leave.
I know there are a lot of school waiting for teachers, but I don't understand why they can't replace the teachers that are leaving. Not that it effect me any, but it's kind of stupid that they are not organized enough to hire replacements with two months notice.
It's just rediculous.... |
I found that most PUBLIC schools have NO idea HOW to go about recruiting a new teacher other than getting on the waitlist from the POE.
In point of fact, the new manual (from the Gyeonggi POE) for KOREAN teachers re: foreigners in public schools has a whole chapter or 2 dedicated to assisting them in locating, interviewing, and all the other miriad of issues in this regard.
Along the same lines, most newbies have NO idea other than using a recruiter or the POE to get access to a public school to find a job.
The middleman is the answer but we all know about "recruiters" hence the problem. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:55 am Post subject: |
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My school told me dozens of times that they want me to stay for another year but, when I decided that I probably would this week, they said that the school may not be allowed to have a native teacher next year as there is a new rule stipulating that a school can only have a native teacher for three years. They said they will get an official letter this month stating whether or not they will be able to have a native teacher for a fourth year. Sounds like a load of sewage to me...  |
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ChuckECheese
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| My school told me dozens of times that they want me to stay for another year but, when I decided that I probably would this week, they said that the school may not be allowed to have a native teacher next year as there is a new rule stipulating that a school can only have a native teacher for three years. They said they will get an official letter this month stating whether or not they will be able to have a native teacher for a fourth year. Sounds like a load of sewage to me... |
Yeah, that makes lots of sense. Only Koreans will come up with BS like that.  |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| stay for another year .. for a fourth year. |
Why on earth... would you stay at the same school for 4 years???
Circulate, man. Circulate!
I've had enough of teaching the same students after 1 year, never mind 4. It gets stale. You're missing out on climbing the ladder, getting better jobs. probably even your bonus each year. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:55 am Post subject: Re: PS having difficulties hiring replacement teachers |
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| I found that most PUBLIC schools have NO idea HOW to go about recruiting a new teacher other than getting on the waitlist from the POE. |
This is true. Although there are some government-commisioned recruiters doing the job. They have cleaned up.
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| Along the same lines, most newbies have NO idea other than using a recruiter or the POE to get access to a public school to find a job. |
There are plenty of newbies and good teachers struggling in hagwons that should be in public schools.
there are also a few dregs in public schools that really deserve to be in hogwons. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| spliff wrote: |
| stay for another year .. for a fourth year. |
Why on earth... would you stay at the same school for 4 years???
Circulate, man. Circulate!
I've had enough of teaching the same students after 1 year, never mind 4. It gets stale. You're missing out on climbing the ladder, getting better jobs. probably even your bonus each year. |
Why not? Im on my 3rd year at my school. The only way I would leave this job would be if: (in this particular order)
1. I was able to make more money from a (very specific) non-teaching thing
2. Got a higher paying job teaching (know any jobs offering over 2.7 and giving 400,000 won housing allowences?)
Its a good gig, Im very comfortable here. No surprises either, which is a good thing. Im not in teaching for the excitement of it. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: Re: PS having difficulties hiring replacement teachers |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
I don't understand this for the life of me. I work at a public school in Incheon. We got paperwork from the Board of Education at the end of March asking me if I was going to renew. I had already decided I wasn't going to. Another teacher in a near by school didn't as well and her contract was up before mine (mine is up at the end of May).
My English Coordinator told me that the other school hasn't gotten a replacement teacher yet and probably won't for awhile. She also said our school probably get a replacement for a few months after I leave.
I know there are a lot of school waiting for teachers, but I don't understand why they can't replace the teachers that are leaving. Not that it effect me any, but it's kind of stupid that they are not organized enough to hire replacements with two months notice.
It's just rediculous.... |
I found that most PUBLIC schools have NO idea HOW to go about recruiting a new teacher other than getting on the waitlist from the POE.
In point of fact, the new manual (from the Gyeonggi POE) for KOREAN teachers re: foreigners in public schools has a whole chapter or 2 dedicated to assisting them in locating, interviewing, and all the other miriad of issues in this regard.
Along the same lines, most newbies have NO idea other than using a recruiter or the POE to get access to a public school to find a job.
The middleman is the answer but we all know about "recruiters" hence the problem. |
Yeah..I think you hit the nail on the head Tom
Spliff, do you mean they can't have the same teacher more then 3 years in a row OR they can't have a teacher more then 3 years period?
If it's the latter, then I agree with you that it's BS. However, if they can't have the same teacher 3 years in a row, that sounds like something that they might make a rule. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Sounds more like you've been dipping your wick in your co-teacher and now she is getting pay back. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| spliff wrote: |
| stay for another year .. for a fourth year. |
Why on earth... would you stay at the same school for 4 years???
Circulate, man. Circulate!
I've had enough of teaching the same students after 1 year, never mind 4. It gets stale. You're missing out on climbing the ladder, getting better jobs. probably even your bonus each year. |
 
Why not? Wifey and I have been at the same school for about 3 years and are looking at another 3 more. The pay and vacation is great, everyone loves us, our raises every year aren't the "typical" raises, shittttttttttt, why give up a good thing for an unknown? Especially in a country where you may not know what you are getting yourself into?
To each his own, I guess. But, when I find something nice, I want to hold on to it. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: Re: PS having difficulties hiring replacement teachers |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
It's just rediculous.... |
Hahahaha |
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Travelous Maximus
Joined: 15 Jan 2007
Location: Nueva Anglia
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| mrsquirrel wrote: |
| Sounds more like you've been dipping your wick in your co-teacher and now she is getting pay back. |
hahaha what an awesome phrase. I'm gonna use that from now on, thanks |
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jodemas2
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: PS having difficulties hiring replacement teachers |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| I know there are a lot of school waiting for teachers, but I don't understand why they can't replace the teachers that are leaving. Not that it effect me any, but it's kind of stupid that they are not organized enough to hire replacements with two months notice... |
Someone posted somewhere that there are 20,000 positions and only 11,000 teachers. How is it difficult to understand that it is hard to fill positions?
What I cannot understand is why the free market does not work in Korea. With such a disparity, pay ought to go up to attract the necessary teachers. Perhaps someone whose degree is in economics could explain this? |
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willneverteachagain
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| You're missing out on climbing the ladder |
what the hell? what ladder are u talking about. the 4 schools i was, i didnt once see a ladder |
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willneverteachagain
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| What I cannot understand is why the free market does not work in Korea. |
there are tons of reasons why.
one is that the salaries in korea for ESL teachers havent risen in 6 years or more and the rise that did happen was not significant |
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