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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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wannago:
Who knows? EFLTrainer is probably a sock for MannerofSpeaking. Even freethought gets it right once in a while but not this clown. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: |
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En passant, Pelosi has strong ties to Israel and grew up in a neighborhood that was heavily Jewish. |
Oh boy! I grew up in an area that was "heavily Hispanic." Does that mean I can go to Mexico and pretend that I'm in charge of diplomacy with them? |
Huh? This is politics. Pelosi is in touch with AIPAC and so is Henry Waxman? I suppose you don't know how close Tom Lantos is to Israel and Steve says I'm obtuse.
Pelosi doesn't have to have a new position from Israel. Israel can repeat its position and Pelosi could re-iterate it. What is so hard about that to understand. This is normal in the Middle East. It depends on moods to some extent, something some cannot grasp, because they think the politics and the Middle East is some step by step experiment with statements that are identical from one period to another having the same effect. Things change on the ground. Olmert has to make his statements, Pelosi has to make hers. Again, if there was no blessing from Israel, two pro-Israeli Jews - Tom Lantos and Henry Waxman would not have been there.
I find it hard to believe that Pelosi who has had an intimate relationship with Jews including a political one which is very different from saying "Hey, I grew up in the ghetto, and I know black people". She has a political connection to Israel. Believe me, if Israel was upset Waxman and Lantos would not have gone. They are not upset in Israel. Stop assuming things.
Syria has kept saying for months they want to talk with Israel. Israel has responded by saying "We won't take you seriously unless you show us you are serious by not backing our enemies". Israel sent a message in its way, but you are just focused on saying liberal this and liberal that, because you are looking at this and interpreting words in a literal sense in the same way as religious fundamentalists interpret scripture. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
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wannago:
Who knows? EFLTrainer is probably a sock for MannerofSpeaking. Even freethought gets it right once in a while but not this clown. |
Pelosi is a traitor? *I've*got it wrong? You're an idiot. Actually, you're a joke. Nothing but a troll. If you and wannago believe half the filth you spew, you've got serious mental or emotional defects. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: |
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California is a trend-setter for other clueless liberals who reside elsewhere. No one in the upper Midwest where I come from takes them seriously. |
oh. and here i was thinking Reagan, former gov of CA, won votes in the Midwest in 2 Presidental elections. Maybe I was wrong?
And what state voted for Mondale in 1984? An upper midwestern state (mn) so looks like at least one part of the states can be even more liberally "out of touch" than CA sometimes  .
Prop 13 has served as a tax-cutting model elsewhere.
The computer you're reading this on? Compliments of those trend setters of CA.
Elimination of affirmative action? (wow, SO liberal there). CA was one of the first states to say adios to it (1996). |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| oh. and here i was thinking Reagan, former gov of CA, won votes in the Midwest in 2 Presidental elections. Maybe I was wrong? |
Reagan was born and raised in the Midwest and always identified with it. Nice try.
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| Elimination of affirmative action? (wow, SO liberal there). CA was one of the first states to say adios to it |
Actually, Texas and Michigan preceded California. Ouch again.
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| The computer you're reading this on? Compliments of those trend setters of CA. |
I was referring to social trends, not technological. Sorry to give you such angst.
Sure you're not the older brother of EFLTrainer? Sure sound like it. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Elimination of affirmative action? (wow, SO liberal there). CA was one of the first states to say adios to it |
Actually, Texas and Michigan preceded California. Ouch again. |
"One of" does not mean "the", you dumbass.
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| Sure you're not the older brother of EFLTrainer? Sure sound like it. |
I train teachers. You couldn't train turnips to lie still. You're a walking brain fart. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Elimination of affirmative action? (wow, SO liberal there). CA was one of the first states to say adios to it |
Actually, Texas and Michigan preceded California. Ouch again. |
"One of" does not mean "the", you dumbass.
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And steve, TX had to get rid of Affirmative action in the same year as CA chose to do so. Here in CA, us voters decided to get rid of it. In TX, it was the courts.
CS Monitor Article
I don't believe Michigan eliminated it. If it did, why did a case between a student and the U of M law school go all the way to the supreme court? SC also upheld the law and AA is still in place at U of Michigan. Nice try though.
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| Reagan was born and raised in the Midwest and always identified with it. Nice try. |
Who cares? He was a movie actor who spent nearly all his adult life here in CA. He was elected in CA, not the Midwest. This is where his political career was born.
And I notice you ignored prop 13, a very anti-liberal thing.
Just in case you don't know what prop 13 is:
Wikipedia summary |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
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| Elimination of affirmative action? (wow, SO liberal there). CA was one of the first states to say adios to it |
Actually, Texas and Michigan preceded California. Ouch again. |
"One of" does not mean "the", you dumbass.
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And steve, TX had to get rid of Affirmative action in the same year as CA chose to do so. Here in CA, us voters decided to get rid of it. In TX, it was the courts.
CS Monitor Article
I don't believe Michigan eliminated it. If it did, why did a case between a student and the U of M law school go all the way to the supreme court? SC also upheld the law and AA is still in place at U of Michigan. Nice try though.
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| Reagan was born and raised in the Midwest and always identified with it. Nice try. |
Who cares? He was a movie actor who spent nearly all his adult life here in CA. |
Wait, when you say "a movie actor" do you mean "the only movie actor ever"? I'm so confused. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| There is all this talk about California and being a liberal state. California, as admitted, is a technological leader, so obviously liberals are not stupid. New York has also been a leader of American technology and education, and it is rather liberal. Though this is debatable, FDR did a lot for America in terms of stimulating the economy, getting people jobs, and he was inspired by a Canadian and English economist, Galbraith and Sir John Maynard Keynes. During the drum beating for the War in Iraq, more liberals thought a rush to war and handling European allies the way they were handled was a big mistake. Who was right? The conservatives or the liberals in that situation? It just goes to show there can be idiots in both camps whether under George W. Bush or Lyndon Baines Johnson. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Frick!
What is wrong with you people? Is it any wonder the Cadre can get whatever they want done when people are this fricking stupid? I'm from California and could not CARE LESS what Steve-the-Troll thinks about it!! Damn it, people! Wake the *beep* up!
Now, on to the topic at hand:
Seems it might be the White House that is the one needing a good ass kicking. But, hey, what's new?
"Our White House" just can't get it right...
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More dirty tricks from the crooked crowd in the White House?
From the start of this sub-controversy over Speaker Pelosi's comments in Damascus I've suspected a tampering hand from the White House.
You know the details. Pelosi said she had conveyed a message of peace from the Israelis to the Syrians. And then Prime Minister Olmert's office issued a statement appearing to contradict what Pelosi said. The Post OpEd page, the organ of jejune establishmentarianism and neo-Blimpism, called Pelosi's claim a 'pratfall'. With admirably diligence, the Post OpEd writers took Olmert's Office's statement at face value and then embellished it ...
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| The Israeli prime minister entrusted Ms. Pelosi with no such message ... Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda. |
But I've never thought it was that simple since before Pelosi ever made her statement, the Israeli press was reporting that Olmert had entrusted Pelosi with such a message. As Ha'aretz highly respected diplomatic correspondent Aluf Benn wrote the day before Pelosi's arrival in Damascus ...
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| ...Pelosi visited Israel yesterday and told her Israeli interlocutors that the country must speak with Assad and that the door should not be closed to Syria, even though she is aware that Syria supports terrorism and continued cooperation with Iran. |
If you read Benn's article you'll see that Olmert's message was part of an effort to head off a possible confrontation this summer tied to Arab fears of an American strike against Iran. (It's a complicated issue, which can find out more about by reading Benn's article.)
Now, who else says this? Rep. Tom Lantos (D-CA) is the Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, a Holocaust survivor and very close to AIPAC. He was with Pelosi in the key meetings in Jerusalem and Damascus and he says "The speaker conveyed precisely what the prime minister and the acting president asked."
So what happened? Ron Kampeas... takes a look at the story... ...touches on the issue of, again, what happened?
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If that was the case, why did Olmert need to make a clarification, as Israelis were not speaking on the record. Lantos suggested there was pressure from the White House.
"It's obvious the White House is desperate to find some phony criticism of the speaker's trip, even though it was a bipartisan trip," said Lantos, a Holocaust survivor who is considered the Democrat closest to the pro-Israel lobby. "I have nothing but contempt and disdain for the attempt to undermine this trip."
The White House had no comment on the allegations by Lantos that it pressured Olmert to offer a clarification.
Such backdoor statecraft between the White House and Olmert would not be unprecedented.
Last year, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice talked Olmert into a 48-hour cease-fire during the war with Hezbollah to allow humanitarian relief, but within hours Israeli planes were bombing again, to Rice's surprise and anger. Olmert had received a call, apparently from Cheney's office, telling him to ignore Rice. |
...The message the Israelis sent to Damascus was intended to convince the Syrians that the Israelis were not planning to attack the Syrians in concert with an American attack on Iran. There was concern in Israel that this might lead to a preemptive Syrian attack. A message like that from Israel to Syria might be very unwelcome to some people in the White House. Did the White House pressure Olmert?... |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Can we get another president form Virginia please?
All, save 1, have been awesome. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Further proof that old Stevie boy has NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL HE IS TALKING ABOUT! Here is a member of alumni from TooyA U. and his own hypocrisy relating to executive power, although since Bill "I Like Head" Clinton wasn't a real president (like Bushie) it was ok to subvert his diplomacy!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/09/chris-wallace-exposes-newt-gingrichs-pelosi-hypocrisy/
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On "FOX News Sunday" today, Chris Wallace confronted Newt Gingrich with the statements he made in 1997 on a trip to China in which he directly contradicted President Clinton's policy regarding Taiwan. Newt Gingrich � along with the right-wing echo chamber and short-memoried MSM � spent the week condemning Speaker Pelosi for doing what Speaker Gingrich did just a decade before. Only then, Gingrich carried a message that was in stark contrast to US foreign policy; something that Nancy Pelosi didn't do, despite baseless right-wing accusations to the contrary.
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Glenn Greenwald documents the original news accounts of Gingrich's trip at Salon. It should also be noted that Dennis Hastert traveled to Columbia in 1997 to undermine President Clinton's policy towards that country. He even went so far as to say that the Columbian government should bypass the excutive and deal directly with Congress. IOKIYAR, though. |
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