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happeningthang

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: A Terrorist Goes Free |
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A Terrorist Goes Free
Selective justice
By Bernardo Alvarez Herrera Published: April 22, 2007
WASHINGTON:
After the attacks of Sept. 11, President George W. Bush forcefully argued that it was every country's duty to fight international terrorism. He made the case that sponsoring terrorism or simply looking the other way when it happened were equivalent acts, and the United States would stand for neither. But holes have started appearing in that principle, courtesy of a single Venezuelan terrorist, released this week from a New Mexico prison on bail.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: A Terrorist Goes Free |
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happeningthang wrote: |
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A Terrorist Goes Free
Selective justice
By Bernardo Alvarez Herrera Published: April 22, 2007
WASHINGTON:
After the attacks of Sept. 11, President George W. Bush forcefully argued that it was every country's duty to fight international terrorism. He made the case that sponsoring terrorism or simply looking the other way when it happened were equivalent acts, and the United States would stand for neither. But holes have started appearing in that principle, courtesy of a single Venezuelan terrorist, released this week from a New Mexico prison on bail.
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This is such a misleading article. It implys the guy is being supported by the US when the reverse is actually true.
1. The guy is being prosecuted for entering the US illegally
2. The US government wanted to keep him in jail. However the protections of the US system the same ones that those who are opposed to the patriot act are so worried about are allowing the guy to stay out of jail.
3. Right now the guy is not involved in any terror acts. At worst he is a retired terrorist.
4. The US has been also trying to get him out of the country and send him somewhere else. Were there a country that was not an enemy of the US that was willing to prosecute him the US would probably send him there
5. Cuba and Venezuala who are loved by the left probably have far laws on their book than the Patriot act though no one on the left in the US says a word.
6. Enemies of the US not only don't prosecute
terrorists , they allow them to operate freely.
7. Also being against Castro or Chavez isn't a bad thing. |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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My country right or wrong.
Your seventh point was the most salient and honest.
Why leave it to last? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Reality is, many "terrorists" go free.
Quite a few ( no need here of course to name names or point fingers )
even serve as HEADS OF STATE
What a wonderful world. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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happeningthang wrote: |
My country right or wrong.
Your seventh point was the most salient and honest.
Why leave it to last? |
Happeningthing you started this thread so let me ask you
Do you support the Patriot act , yes or or no?
what would you have the US do in this situation?
Is what I said accurate or not accurate?
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Judge orders Cuban militant set free on bail pending trial
Government wants him kept in jail
By Alicia A. Caldwell
ASSOCIATED PRESS
2:11 p.m. April 6, 2007
EL PASO, Texas � A federal judge on Friday ordered Cuban militant Luis Posada Carriles set free on bail pending trial on charges he lied in a bid to become a U.S. citizen, and the government immediately asked that he remain jailed |
Ok so it seems the US is
1) prosecuting the guy
2) the US government wants him in jail
3) a federal judge ordered the guy be allowed free on bail.
Is this true or false?
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U.S. District Judge Kathleen Cardone didn't immediately rule on federal prosecutors' request. They wanted him to remain in custody while they determine if they can appeal the judge's decision.
Posada, 79, is wanted in Cuba and Venezuela on charges that he was in Caracas when he plotted the deadly 1976 bombing of a Cuban jetliner. He also has been ordered deported by a federal immigration judge, though U.S. authorities have been unable to find a country willing to accept the former CIA operative.
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The US is trying to deport him. No other country wants him.
True or False?
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Cardone ordered that Posada post a $250,000 cash or corporate surety bond. His wife and two adult children must post a $100,000 appearance and compliance signature bond and agree to take responsibility of him when he is released.[/b]
The judge also ordered that Posada, a former CIA operative who had a role in the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, live with his wife in Miami under 24-hour home confinement and submit to electronic monitoring. |
Seems the US is watching this guy. Unlike its enemies who not only allow terrorists to operate in their nations , they fund them , support them , and encourage them.
True or False?
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The government argued that because of the timing of the order, about 2 p.m. Eastern time on Good Friday, Posada could be released before government lawyers had time to decide and get permission to file an appeal.
�The United States needs time to consider the adequacy of these conditions and whether to appeal this court's ruling,� the prosecutors wrote.
Posada has been jailed since May 2005, when he was arrested on an immigration violation after telling authorities that he sneaked across the Mexican border into Texas. An immigration judge later ordered that he be deported, but ruled that Posada could not be sent to Cuba, where he was born, or Venezuela, where he is a naturalized citizen, because of fears that he could be tortured. |
So he has been in jail for 2 years.
Find this article at:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20070406-1411-cubanmilitant.html
Yes being anti Castro or anti Chevez is not a bad thing. While this is not the controlling issue it something that needs to be considered.
So it is not a a case of the my country right or wrong, it is case of people worldwide trying to get at US at any opportunity. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
Reality is, many "terrorists" go free.
Quite a few ( no need here of course to name names or point fingers )
even serve as HEADS OF STATE
What a wonderful world. |
Jeff Rense supports Al Qaeda |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: |
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QUESTION:
Who's the bigger "terrorist": Jeff Rense or George Bush? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
QUESTION:
Who's the bigger "terrorist": Jeff Rense or George Bush? |
Compared to the power they have?
Compared to what their goals are? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Compared to who's the bigger terrorist.
Big Bad Rense or Big Bad Bush?
It's a pretty simple question. |
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happeningthang

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:44 am Post subject: |
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I'm surprised at you Joo. You say no country wants the detained terrorist, yet the quote you give immediately beforehand makes it obvious there are at least two countries that do.
Venezuela and Cuba.
You also say that the "government" has arrested him, and wants him in jail, but that assumes the government is a single, like minded organisation instead of a collection of different agencies, like a D.A's Office, that are at time at odds with other government agencies. It's interesting that you are able to make that distinction when it comes to the judiciary.
Yes, he was arrested and tried, and released, but that's for the crime of trying to sneak his way into the country and citizenship. The fact that he's not facing charges for his terrorist activities is an interesting question in itself. Perhaps the headline of the article was misleading in that regard, but even so it's not the real question being posed. Since the US is waging a "War on Terror" why isn't this known terrorist being extradited? It seems his past as a CIA operative has complicated, an otherwise straghtforward extradition process.
And just so that you know... the rebuttals, "Other countries don't send the US their terrorists," and " "he's a retired terrorist" are just ridiculous by any measure.
The US regularly demands other countries send them their terrorists, and most countries comply. If an enemy state refuses, for whatever reason, then the men in black hop a plane, knock the alleged terrorist over the head and drag them to the US, whenever possible.
The retired terrorist argument is clearly ludicrous. Is there a statute of limitations on terrorist acts now? Imagine your son catches Bin Laden in the year 2040, a sick, dying and most importantly, retired man. Lucky old geezer Laden. He made it past his 65th birthday, and into retirement, so now he's untouchable. Most nazis are retired now too, best let the Weisenthal boys know it's tools down time.
As for the Patriot Act, I'm not an American citizen, and so am woefully ignorant of the specifics. On the face of it, I'm opposed to the erosion of civil liberties it represents, although I recognise it addresses a valid security concern. I'm not that confident that this won't result in abuses, however.
I hope that I've answered your questions fully, and I likewise hope you'll answer mine.
Are terrorist acts against states opposed to the US acceptable?
Because, your initial response seems to indicate that's your position, and that's what prompted me to comment, "My Country Right or Wrong". Nothing you've said since has made me want to rethink that assessment. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
Compared to who's the bigger terrorist.
Big Bad Rense or Big Bad Bush?
It's a pretty simple question. |
Rense |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
igotthisguitar wrote: |
Compared to who's the bigger terrorist.
Big Bad Rense or Big Bad Bush?
It's a pretty simple question. |
Rense |
Pity. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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[quote="happeningthang"]I'm surprised at you Joo. You say no country wants the detained terrorist, yet the quote you give immediately beforehand makes it obvious there are at least two countries that do.
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Venezuela and Cuba. |
Neither goverment is trustworthy. and they are both enemies.
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You also say that the "government" has arrested him, and wants him in jail, but that assumes the government is a single, like minded organisation instead of a collection of different agencies, like a D.A's Office, that are at time at odds with other government agencies. It's interesting that you are able to make that distinction when it comes to the judiciary. |
Well the US wants him either in Jail or out of the country. The US didn't invite him and as far as I can tell he is not doing anything.
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Yes, he was arrested and tried, and released, |
he has not been tried and the US wants him in jail.
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but that's for the crime of trying to sneak his way into the country and citizenship. |
that does not seem like the guy is being protected by the US governmetn who is tying to get rid of him.
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The fact that he's not facing charges for his terrorist activities is an interesting question in itself. |
Maybe cause the US doesn't have the evidence to convict him .
It is a high standard. Remember the US didn't think they could convict Bin Laden.
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Perhaps the headline of the article was misleading in that regard, but even so it's not the real question being posed. Since the US is waging a "War on Terror" why isn't this known terrorist being extradited? It seems his past as a CIA operative has complicated, an otherwise straghtforward extradition process. |
Does the US have an extradition treaty w/ Cuba or Venezuala?
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And just so that you know... the rebuttals, "Other countries don't send the US their terrorists," and " "he's a retired terrorist" are just ridiculous by any measure. |
Well other countires like Iran and other enemies not only allow the terrorists to go free they support them and help them
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The US regularly demands other countries send them their terrorists, and most countries comply. If an enemy state refuses, for whatever reason, then the men in black hop a plane, knock the alleged terrorist over the head and drag them to the US, whenever possible. |
Most of the time those terrorists are not facing jail , and are allowed to go free.
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The retired terrorist argument is clearly ludicrous. Is there a statute of limitations on terrorist acts now? Imagine your son catches Bin Laden in the year 2040, a sick, dying and most importantly, retired man. Lucky old geezer Laden. He made it past his 65th birthday, and into retirement, so now he's untouchable. Most nazis are retired now too, best let the Weisenthal boys know it's tools down time. |
You know all the facts? No and the US is certainly not allowing him to do anything while he is in the US. While Iran is funding and supporting terrorists.
He is also facing jail. Anyone from Hizzbolah facing Jail in Iran?
As for the Patriot Act, I'm not an American citizen, and so am woefully ignorant of the specifics. On the face of it, I'm opposed to the erosion of civil liberties it represents, although I recognise it addresses a valid security concern. I'm not that confident that this won't result in abuses, however.
I hope that I've answered your questions fully, and I likewise hope you'll answer mine.
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Are terrorist acts against states opposed to the US acceptable? |
In general 99% of the time no.There might be exceptions. Would it be wrong to car bomb Iran's supreme leader ? No. That is an exception.
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Because, your initial response seems to indicate that's your position, and that's what prompted me to comment, "My Country Right or Wrong". Nothing you've said since has made me want to rethink that assessment |
Why should the US give the governements of Cuba and Vensuzula full faith and trust? I don't quite think they are entitled to the same trust based on their actions as say Korea , or France or Costa Rica.
I don't know the law but it might even be illegal to deport him to those countries by US law if he claims that his rights will be violated .
Ought the US not follow its own laws? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
igotthisguitar wrote: |
Compared to who's the bigger terrorist.
Big Bad Rense or Big Bad Bush?
It's a pretty simple question. |
Rense |
Pity. |
Rense cause he supports Al Qada and the Nazis. Like you. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: |
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No, sorry ... not a NAZI. Does that frustrate you? I hope not.
Already so much silly anger & confusion between your ears, poisoning your poor little heart.
As i explained before i'd like to BECOME an "Aryan".
How about you Joo? Would you like to become an Aryan?
Ethnic Jews are welcome!  |
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