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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| However he never said anything like that. He said that it seems certain people get pleasure from calling America names. It does not follow that he thinks these people hate America...for all we know he might think they are simply trolling. |
And why would people get pleasure from calling America names? Because they hate America, of course. This comes up like clockwork whenever the US is described in terms that upset Gopher. But again, who has been calling America names in this thread? One fruitloop stopped in to mention that he considers America a fascist country, along with all the other modernised capitalist societies. Great. Gopher's somewhat paranoid and defensive imagination is filling in the rest.
Actually, I'm reminded of something that happened to a Kiwi friend of mine a few years ago. She was with some commonwealth friends at a bar in Kanagawa prefecture, not far from Yokosuka, and they were discussing the war in Iraq and President Bush in some pretty unpleasant terms. Some Navy guys were also in the bar and they overheard the conversation, so they went over to the girls' table and said something like "It sounds like y'all are pretty angry at our country. Allow us to buy you some drinks to make it up to you". Things went well, and now my friend is married to one of those guys - an E-2 pilot - and is now living with him in the States. Not to say of course that Americans should turn criticism of the US into opportunities for cheesy pick-up lines; I'm just imagining Gopher in that situation walking over to the table and berating the girls for their bitter, leftist, allegation-driven discourse, then going back to base to watch science fiction, alone. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| However he never said anything like that. He said that it seems certain people get pleasure from calling America names. It does not follow that he thinks these people hate America...for all we know he might think they are simply trolling. |
And why would people get pleasure from calling America names? Because they hate America, of course. . |
Again not necessarily. They could be trolling simply to get a response. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| gang ah jee wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| However he never said anything like that. He said that it seems certain people get pleasure from calling America names. It does not follow that he thinks these people hate America...for all we know he might think they are simply trolling. |
And why would people get pleasure from calling America names? Because they hate America, of course. . |
Again not necessarily. They could be trolling simply to get a response. |
Don't you find it a tad convenient, TC, that everything he says is sincerely felt and appropriate (according to himself), but anyone criticizing the US or Bush is a whacko? Even when the "whackos" are a large majority of the US population and a vast majority of the world population?
Someone want to tell me why gopher needed yet another sock? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe you should have read the thread, igtg. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
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everything he says is sincerely felt and appropriate (according to himself), but anyone criticizing the US or Bush is a whacko?
Someone want to tell me why gopher needed yet another sock? |
Have you even read his threads? He has criticized Bush on several occasions.
I don't know why Gopher needs another sock, but maybe you could tell us why IGTG does? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
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everything he says is sincerely felt and appropriate (according to himself), but anyone criticizing the US or Bush is a whacko?
Someone want to tell me why gopher needed yet another sock? |
Have you even read his threads? He has criticized Bush on several occasions.
I don't know why Gopher needs another sock, but maybe you could tell us why IGTG does? |
My comment to igtg was because the article he posted is what the thread was based on, so why post it again?
The rest of your comments make no sense, which is better than the your usual bull, however. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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a supporter of the bigot Jeff Rense compares the US to the Klan
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: ... |
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| Have you even read his threads? He has criticized Bush on several occasions. |
Have you? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| a supporter of the bigot Jeff Rense compares the US to the Klan |
A rapid supporter of state sponsored Zionist terrorism & bloody imperial crusades compares
peace-loving & pacifist IGTG to one of Hitler's storm troopers |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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A rapid supporter of state-sponsored Zionist terrorism & bloody imperial crusades compares
peace-loving & pacifist IGTG to one of Hitler's storm troopers. |
Speaking of comparisons...talking about yourself in the third-person again...?
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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You trying to be funny ... Gopher? Not.
Sevice to the DARK LORD will only bring you grief.
Think about it my furry little varmit friend.
We all know who's going to emerge the victor in this AGE OLD battle now don't we? 
bah! Ring Wraiths  |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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cwemory
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Gunpo, Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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sorry to bring this thread back from the dead, but this is an interesting editorial nonetheless.
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Fascism and America
Sasha Abramsky
guardian.co.uk
Comparisons between Nazi Germany and today's US government are glib, inaccurate and unworthy
Last month, the great Comment is Free debate of Wolf versus Wolfe, Naomi and Alan, on whether or not the US was sliding into a form of authoritarian, quasi-fascist governance, produced a tremendous number of comments. Most were sensible additions to what shaped up to be a fascinating debate; some, however, seemed to view it as simply one more podium from which to make the most provocative comparison possible: read CIF comments on articles written about the US, and fairly frequently these days you'll see statements equating America with Nazi Germany and George Bush with Adolf Hitler.
The "American superpower = Nazism" equation ought to be so laughable as not to need a serious response. Instead, it seems to be gaining significant headway, and not just within the world of anonymous bloggers. Two weeks ago, Vladimir Putin made a speech referencing the Third Reich when talking about contemporary US policies. It was an extraordinary statement from a man who has, himself, so coercively used state power in recent years, so readily played on his countrymen's sense of historical grievance.
Without minimizing the threat to the open society that Bush's team represents, let's look at the comparison in more depth: Nazism was, from the get-go, founded on principles of race hatred and a rhetoric antithetical to democracy. Readers of Hitler's screed Mein Kampf knew from well before Hitler came to power that the Nazi party was intent on waging war against the Jews, the Gypsies and other supposedly "inferior" races. They knew from the outset that their party believed "democracy" to be a decadent method of governance, and one largely responsible for Germany's post-first world war travails. They knew that the party would utilize extreme violence against its political opponents - and that it had an enormous cadre of street brawlers, in the form of the brownshirts SA, willing to commit wholesale murder on the orders of its bosses; they knew this because all too many of them were involved in this organization. Later on, after Hitler achieved power, they knew it through the "Night of the Long Knives", when the nascent SS dispatched many of the leaders of the SA in an internal party power struggle. They also knew it when the few brave souls who handed out leaflets decrying the genocidal actions being carried out against Jews were publicly executed, some hung from meat hooks, others beheaded. |
rest here
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sasha_abramsky/2007/05/last_month_the_great_comment.html |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| So, let's end the cheap shot analogies. Bush isn't Hitler; America isn't the Third Reich. That doesn't mean the Bushies are good guys. But they're not in the same psychopathic, criminally insane league as were the Nazi elite. |
Amazing. Great piece. Sober and rational. Never thought I would say this: sometimes the Guardian gets it right.
Here is the link again |
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