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barfomcgee
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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 Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: Job Offer without BA |
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I recently applied for five jobs in Korea. However, I only have an AA and a CELTA, I do not have a BA.
One place did not respond to my application. Three others initially offered me a job, but had mistakenly thought that an AA was the same as a BA. Upon further clarification, they withdrew the offer of employment.
But the fifth school is still offering me a position, even though they fully understand I do not have a BA. They are offering a free flight with free accomodation.
Is this legal? What would happen if I accepted the position with the impression I was legal, but later was discovered to be illegal?
Any advice will be greatly appreciated. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| It is not legal and you will not be given a work visa. Sorry, but you cannot legally teach in Korea with your qualifications, however good a teacher you may be. |
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icicle
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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If it is not legal then you won't get the E2 visa that you need to work in the country ... It is not the school that makes the decision about whether it is legal or not .. It is immigration ...
The free flight and accommodation are standard here ... the question I have now is are they encouraging you to come and then apply for the E2 via a visa run ... or are they planning to apply for the E2 before you come.. I would say don't come unless immigration gives you an E2 visa. I am fairly sure that they won't give it to you ... and the last thing that you want to be is caught working illegally which you would be if working without it... Fines and Deportation are not worth it
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barfomcgee
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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We haven't discussed visa issues yet.
I've heard it may be possible to get an F-1-2 visa without a BA. Anyone know anything about this?
Thanks again for the replies. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| barfomcgee wrote: |
We haven't discussed visa issues yet.
I've heard it may be possible to get an F-1-2 visa without a BA. Anyone know anything about this?
Thanks again for the replies. |
You can only get an F- visa if you're of Korean heritage or married to a Korean. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| But the fifth school is still offering me a position, even though they fully understand I do not have a BA. They are offering a free flight with free accomodation |
What's the name of the school? |
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barfomcgee
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| To be honest, I'd rather not say at this point. |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| barfomcgee wrote: |
| To be honest, I'd rather not say at this point. |
You have 2 issues to deal with.
It is illegal for ANYONE to teach in a public school or LICENCED hakwon without a bachelors degree.
It is illegal for you to work without a proper visa.
F2 series for "married to a Korean" - can work but not teach without a degree
F4 for Korean ancestory (2 generations removed only) - can work but not teach without a degree
E2 for teachers of a foreign language - bachelors degree required for application.
Tourist visa or visa waiver stamp - no qualifications required but NOT allowed to do any remunerative activities.
In either case you, as described in your original post, CANNOT legally teach anything in Korea.
If you are here on an F-series visa you would face a criminal proceeding and a fine if you are caught (as the busted Korean teachers from the Jongno hakwons found out).
You CANNOT get a work visa with your quals.
If you are here on a tourist visa or visa waiver stamp you will have NO protection from an unscrupulous hakwon (who else will hire an illegal) AND
you will face fines, detention and deportation AT YOUR EXPENSE if you are caught. You would be held in detention until the fines and return flight to your home country are paid for.
Go to China. Wages and benefits are climbing and conditions are improving and you can get a work visa with your quals.
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Last edited by ttompatz on Wed May 09, 2007 1:39 am; edited 1 time in total |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| To be honest, I'd rather not say at this point. |
Don't break the law so others can make money. They will treat you like crap and throw you away if you dare defy them. |
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barfomcgee
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the detailed post, ttompatz.
Do you know anything about Taiwan? I was offered a position there as well. I've heard it is possible to teach in Taiwan provided one has a teaching certificate. Any idea if this is true? |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Why not finish your bachelor's and then you can find better jobs. How close are you to finishing? |
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barfomcgee
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Well, as I said I have an AA, which is 61 credits. I would need another 60 to finish.
Actually, I plan to do a distance learning program with Open University or some such place. But on a Thai salary, I simply can't afford to. I need to go someplace with a higher salary first. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| barfomcgee wrote: |
Well, as I said I have an AA, which is 61 credits. I would need another 60 to finish.
Actually, I plan to do a distance learning program with Open University or some such place. But on a Thai salary, I simply can't afford to. I need to go someplace with a higher salary first. |
Isn't Thailand also trying to crack down on teachers without degrees? I'm not sure about Taiwan, but I believe you would need a degree to work there, too.
Have you thought about Laos? My friend makes 20,000 Baht / month for teaching part-time (three hours a day) there and it seems there are a lot of jobs for teachers that pay around $10 USD / hour. The only hassel would be renewing your visa every month, unless you managed to find a Lao to get you a one-year business visa. |
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shaunew
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| barfomcgee wrote: |
| To be honest, I'd rather not say at this point. |
You have 2 issues to deal with.
It is illegal for ANYONE to teach in a public school or LICENCED hakwon without a bachelors degree.
It is illegal for you to work without a proper visa.
F2 series for "married to a Korean" - can work but not teach without a degree
F4 for Korean ancestory (2 generations removed only) - can work but not teach without a degree
E2 for teachers of a foreign language - bachelors degree required for application.
Tourist visa or visa waiver stamp - no qualifications required but NOT allowed to do any remunerative activities.
In either case you, as described in your original post, CANNOT legally teach anything in Korea.
If you are here on an F-series visa you would face a criminal proceeding and a fine if you are caught (as the busted Korean teachers from the Jongno hakwons found out).
You CANNOT get a work visa with your quals.
If you are here on a tourist visa or visa waiver stamp you will have NO protection from an unscrupulous hakwon (who else will hire an illegal) AND
you will face fines, detention and deportation AT YOUR EXPENSE if you are caught. You would be held in detention until the fines and return flight to your home country are paid for.
Go to China. Wages and benefits are climbing and conditions are improving and you can get a work visa with your quals.
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F-2-1 can teach without a degree, they can work a teaching job. I have freinds who do it. |
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