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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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I believe that you were naive six years ago to enlist. It's a serious problem that you have. Most people might not understand your sensitivity within yourself that has developed the last few years.
I think you have to follow what's in your heart. If that means a prison term at the end of it, it might just have to be that way.
It's a big step but have you looked into renouncing your citizenship while finding a place abroad? I think other men have done this during trying times and as a last resort. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Goodness, this is turning into a Walmart Get-well soon!, Hang-in-there! card.
"Vietnam-style call up"? The media and entire country would be up-in-arms if that happened. Dude, it's called Inactive Ready Reserve. Didn't you pay any attention to your recruters?
When you or any one enlists, it's for 8 years! How you serve those years is kinda up to you. 2 years active duty, then 6 as Reserve, or NG or IRR. Or like me, 5 years Active Duty and 3 years IRR (at which time I could've been legally called up at any time for any reason). It isn't until after those 8 years that you are actually discharged from the military and cannot be called up even if there is a draft.
The fact that they did call you up for the N.G. is a bit troubling as I spent my remaining IRR attending universtiy in peace using my G.I. Bill as most others did as well. It may be a sign of low recruitment or something going down with your unit, possibly deployment and needed to fill the ranks.
Either way, you should've known and been prepared for it. No sympathy here. |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: How do I equate bad treatment with giving my life? |
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I was bored last night and I decided to look around the image gallery of Yahoo!. For Sh@tz and giggles, I typed in "Dead american soldiers" and......there's nothing more I can say about it......
Last weekend was my first drill with my new unit, which is closer to home and these idiots seemed hellbent on going to Iraq.
And most people who complain about their boss or director being bad, imagine being a 30-ish lower ranking enlisted person being barked at by a 20-something female sergeant, who probably slept with her commander to get the rank she holds now (believe it or not, it still happens in the national guards)......gimme a break!!!!
For those of you who are not in the know, I was called back to duty upon returning to the states, I was given the choice of going into the army (yeah right!) or spending my time in the national guard. I opted for the national guard, although it seems likely I can be called up anyway...
My point is, how can a person equate the bad, almost inhumane treatment of being a soldier with the fact that they might go to Iraq and most likely get blown to bitz..
It just doesn't add up.
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When did you originally enlist? What was your status after finishing basic training? What was you status when you were involuntarily recalled? Were you in a reserve unit in Korea? Your story is confusing without these details. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes. What's your MOS? I was in a critical strength MOS with a number of extra qualifications and I haven't been recalled. Your attitude is puzzling if you were familiar with military life. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Think we got a G.I. Troll on our hands, fellas. I feel like I've just been suckered. He obviously hasn't the slightest idea of what he's talk'n about. He was a little odd before he left Korea...good thing he's back home.
G.I. Trroooolllll! Go TROLL!
Off topic, but the Transformers movie's coming out soon so how about seeing Cobra Commander on the big screen? |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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I did not enlist.....I was unvoluntarily called up....
Read the authorization letter that followed my comment, I was apart of that. I asked what would happen if I didn't sign up;
1. I would lose my passport and driver's lisense.
2. I would lose my right to vote
3. I could be sent to prison for up to 5 years.
4. I could be kicked out of school
These are things people don't know because obviously most of you haven't met someone...yet...who has been part of this involuntary call-up.
this among other benefits that are naturally enjoyed by every citizen here that I would lose if I didn't participate in this Vietnam-style call-up.
I was in the military prior for 5 and half years, I am totally familiar with the army life.
Why didn't I just go straight into the army? I enjoy and value my life so much more that I prefer to be with family and friends alive rather than have them weep for me over my grave.
I felt like I had more of a purpose before, which was to defend the US, not throw my life away in a thoughtless war, which is what I think of it now.
As for barring comments, that is only for army-related blogs not for something as insignificant as "dave's"
I appreciate all your comments, as that is what I am supposed to be protecting (though most of you don't appreciate it) and I take them with a grain of salt (which is what alot of the pro-military comments are worth). |
Listen, you enlisted read your original contract. If you didn't understand the terms you should have had a lawyer explain it to you. When I signed up I knew all of the terms. If you thought you were joining a country club that's your own fault. Just like the contract one takes to teach English, the terms are all in there. It's part of your original obligation. Stop whining and honor your commitment. You might as well quit complaining and start listening to you senior members, especially when they say duck. The best advice I ever got in the Army was open your eyes, shut your mouth, listen carefully and keep your head low.
You should never have joined if your motive weren't pure. Signing a contract without pure motive is dishonorable to say the least. If you really want out I would recommend a steady diet of doughnuts and soda. You should recieve your disabilty discharge in about six months.
Believe you me if your attitude is as easily perceptible on the drill floor as it is in here, you will find yourself in positions that will not endanger your buddies.
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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......I am not asking for sympathy, nor am I trying to phish nor troll for any kind of response...I was just stating my opinion....Remember, if you don't like what you read, move on.....
I am now more increasingly anti-Iraq war, some of you sound pretty selfish, saying all that stuff from half a world away, more power to you....
I am not in a critical MOS and get this, I enlisted in 1994 (almost 13 years ago).....so yeah, it was abit odd to be called back after I ALREADY COMPLETED my mandatory 8-years...But then again....I guess that doesn't really count, again, read the presidential order.
As for changing my nationality to dodge it....no...I have better ideas around this one.....there is more than one way to skin a cat 
To my friends and well-wishers, I'll keep you posted....to all others, well... 
I thought a university education is suppose to make you smart..but considering some of the posts here....I beg to differ.....  |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
I am not in a critical MOS and get this, I enlisted in 1994 (almost 13 years ago).....so yeah, it was abit odd to be called back after I ALREADY COMPLETED my mandatory 8-years...But then again....I guess that doesn't really count, again, read the presidential order. |
Ok, you enlisted in '94. What has been your status since 2003? |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/enlistment.pdf
Your initial enlistment is for 8 years x years (Usually 4 sometimes 6) of active duty, the remainder in a reserve component.
If you served six years fulltime and never fulfilled your reserved component, your are obligated to two more years in reserves at the whim of the President. Also you are in and obligated until 6 months after the end of hostilities, it's in your contract. You may at any time seek council with JAG, they are more than happy to answer your questions on the matter of your contractual obligation. Your contract was written so as to be understood by the average eighth grade student.
As far as your sense of honor and commitment are concerned, I think you may be beyond hope. Remember keep your head down, keep your eyes open.
Also see Section 10-4 of your original contract.
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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