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Are you in the "middle of the road?
Yes
44%
 44%  [ 22 ]
No. I actually really do hate it
16%
 16%  [ 8 ]
No. I love Korea
38%
 38%  [ 19 ]
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Are you just "middle of the road" Reply with quote

I am. And, I feel the majority of poster here are.

I don't hate the place, I don't love it. Korea's just, as they say, "so-so"... Sure, I love to make fun of Korea and get a good laugh out of the place, cuz in many ways Korea is just a 14 year old boy trying to be cool. What can you do but chuckle, swipe'em across the head and say in a condescending way, "That'a boy!"...That's what I think people don't understand about "Dave's"... VERY few people here actually "hate" Korea. We're just amused with it and continually amazed with the wackiness of it.

I will say though, being in the middle causes some confusion for me. I really don't understand either side of the spectrum. On one side, you have the folk who just love Korea. Sorry, but how sad was your life back home that you prefer this place? Did you not have any friends .... no family? I really pity you if this is where you really want to be.

Then you have the people that just hate the place? Why bother? Man, life here is so easy. Easy job, easy money, easy fame. You just have to learn to roll with it. If you're so miserable here, chances are you're gonna be miserable everywhere.

So, to the newbies who love to play the "go home" card: don't be so silly. The hate on this board is rare, and most of the time, it isn't even hate. It's just a bunch of Shocked Shocked Laughing Laughing Wink Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Richard Krainium



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Are you just "middle of the road" Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:

Sorry, but how sad was your life back home that you prefer this place? Did you not have any friends .... no family? I really pity you if this is where you really want to be.

Not sad at all. Plenty of friends and family. I do what makes me happy. I don't live my life to make my family and friends happy. Anywhere you live is what you make of it.

My advice to you middle of the roaders? Buy a car or a motorcycle, travel around. Make it a point to see as much of Korea and Asia as you can.

I'm here for the adventure and the vacation time suits my lifestyle perfectly.

I pity people like you who really don't want to be here, but are sadly just chasing the almighty $$$.

If Korea wasn't the place I really wanted to be, I'd find the place that is. You should, too. Wink
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Are you just "middle of the road" Reply with quote

Richard Krainium wrote:
Newbie wrote:

Sorry, but how sad was your life back home that you prefer this place? Did you not have any friends .... no family? I really pity you if this is where you really want to be.

Not sad at all. Plenty of friends and family. I do what makes me happy. I don't live my life to make my family and friends happy. Anywhere you live is what you make of it.

My advice to you middle of the roaders? Buy a car or a motorcycle, travel around. Make it a point to see as much of Korea and Asia as you can.

I'm here for the adventure and the vacation time suits my lifestyle perfectly.

I pity people like you who really don't want to be here, but are sadly just chasing the almighty $$$.

If Korea wasn't the place I really wanted to be, I'd find the place that is. You should, too. Wink


I see what you're saying, but in no way did I mean you should be living to please your family and friends. Just wondering, why were you (the general "you", not you specifiaclly) so sad/lonely/pitiful/desperate back home that Korea is such a great place.

Good on you, you're having a nice time checking out Korea. My criticism is leveled at those who don't ever want to leave.

As for me, not chasing the $$$. But for those who are here just for the money, hell, if it's a year or two, why not? It's a nice little way to set up a tidy little saving.
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RobertX



Joined: 07 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject: new category Reply with quote

sometimes i love this place
sometimes i hate it
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie:

Thanks for your honesty--we could use more of that around here.

My only reaction is that in China few expats would say that. They either love it or hate it, most being of the former opinion.

And that is what I find revealing about expats in Korea, namely, that there attitude is often at best blase. Hardly ever do I hear a sincerely felt ringing endorsement of this place.
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oneofthesarahs



Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love it, but mostly because I feel like I'm on the world's longest vacation. I stay up late every night, sleep in late, spend the majority of my day genuinely having fun (I love teaching, and kids are just fun to be around). I have disposable income. I spend most of my weekends either taking road trips or just lazily tooling around town on my bike. I have met lots of interesting people here. What's not to love? All of the minor annoyances I just ignore, I'm too busy enjoying myself to complain about things.
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Re: Are you just "middle of the road" Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:
I am. And, I feel the majority of poster here are.

I don't hate the place, I don't love it. Korea's just, as they say, "so-so"... Sure, I love to make fun of Korea and get a good laugh out of the place, cuz in many ways Korea is just a 14 year old boy trying to be cool. What can you do but chuckle, swipe'em across the head and say in a condescending way, "That'a boy!"...That's what I think people don't understand about "Dave's"... VERY few people here actually "hate" Korea. We're just amused with it and continually amazed with the wackiness of it.

I will say though, being in the middle causes some confusion for me. I really don't understand either side of the spectrum. On one side, you have the folk who just love Korea. Sorry, but how sad was your life back home that you prefer this place? Did you not have any friends .... no family? I really pity you if this is where you really want to be.

Then you have the people that just hate the place? Why bother? Man, life here is so easy. Easy job, easy money, easy fame. You just have to learn to roll with it. If you're so miserable here, chances are you're gonna be miserable everywhere.

So, to the newbies who love to play the "go home" card: don't be so silly. The hate on this board is rare, and most of the time, it isn't even hate. It's just a bunch of Shocked Shocked Laughing Laughing Wink Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
Newbie:

Thanks for your honesty--we could use more of that around here.

My only reaction is that in China few expats would say that. They either love it or hate it, most being of the former opinion.

And that is what I find revealing about expats in Korea, namely, that there attitude is often at best blase. Hardly ever do I hear a sincerely felt ringing endorsement of this place.


And, I mean, what is so wrong with that? Why does every place on Earth have to be OMGAMAZINGASTONISHINGGOGOGOGOGOG?

Can't a place just friggin' exist? Look at Delaware in the U.S. Who the hell lives there? And yet, someone does.

Korea: the Delaware of Asia
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Unposter



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a crime to complain? Are you some totalitarian fascist that thinks it should be illegal to complain?

No place is perfect.

There is plenty to like about Korea. Everyday Seoul is becoming a greener and nicer place to live. Cheongyecheon is beautiful. The Buddha's Day festival and parage is fun. There is much to do and see here if you actually get time off from your place of work to see it. It would cover pages and pages to write about it all. If you are interested in the exotic, there is plenty of that here. I like that everyday is new, fresh and a new battle; it keeps me from being bored.

But can you imagine what a sickly-sweet place Dave's would be if everyone was full of platitudes? I don't think that would be human nature...at least nothing I would recognize as human.

In fact, complaining about complaining is one of the most common complaints on this board. Good luck!
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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat



Joined: 01 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oneofthesarahs wrote:
I have disposable income.

I think this is likely the real appeal at the end of the day. I like living abroad and all, but I'm a firm believer that it doesn't matter so much where you are: if you're broke it's probably going to suck, but if you have a bit of extra money you can do way more of the things you wanna do.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say I'm middle of the road. There are somethings that drive me nuts about Korea. I've come to the point I need to go home because I miss family and sometimes the extreme swings in weather are too much.
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swetepete



Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: a limp little burg

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never knew what love was until I saw Pillbox's latest avatar.
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:
Is it a crime to complain? Are you some totalitarian fascist that thinks it should be illegal to complain?

No place is perfect.

There is plenty to like about Korea. Everyday Seoul is becoming a greener and nicer place to live. Cheongyecheon is beautiful. The Buddha's Day festival and parage is fun. There is much to do and see here if you actually get time off from your place of work to see it. It would cover pages and pages to write about it all. If you are interested in the exotic, there is plenty of that here. I like that everyday is new, fresh and a new battle; it keeps me from being bored.

But can you imagine what a sickly-sweet place Dave's would be if everyone was full of platitudes? I don't think that would be human nature...at least nothing I would recognize as human.

In fact, complaining about complaining is one of the most common complaints on this board. Good luck!


Dude, you've thrown me? Did I say people shouldn't complain?? Didn't I pretty much just say that complaining is what we do, but that it's a "mocking" rather than a "hating"
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chi-chi



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdog2050 wrote:
stevemcgarrett wrote:
Newbie:

Thanks for your honesty--we could use more of that around here.

My only reaction is that in China few expats would say that. They either love it or hate it, most being of the former opinion.

And that is what I find revealing about expats in Korea, namely, that there attitude is often at best blase. Hardly ever do I hear a sincerely felt ringing endorsement of this place.


And, I mean, what is so wrong with that? Why does every place on Earth have to be OMGAMAZINGASTONISHINGGOGOGOGOGOG?

Can't a place just friggin' exist? Look at Delaware in the U.S. Who the hell lives there? And yet, someone does.

Korea: the Delaware of Asia



*lol* Wrong. Since when is Korea quiet and unassuming?
Korea: Georgia of Asia.
Taiwan: Florida of Asia.
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dutchy pink



Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a middler.
I like it here. if i didn't i wouldn't be here.
Of course, i'v only been here 4 months so perhaps that will change.
I already went through my honeymoon phase, that lasted about a week, then i hated it, kept comparing it to Tokyo. Now, I like it.
I have so many complaints about America, any complaints i may have about Korea can never even compare.
People talk about Korea being ultra-nationalist, homogeneous, racist, etc.., look at my home country, almost half the voting public voted for GW, how much stupider can 50 million people be?
I've met dumb Koreans, I've met dumb Americans, I've met cool Koreans, I met a few cool Americans.

and by the way, the money isn't that good.
with a little effort, you can make 40 grand easy in the US.
It's amazing that people with a 4 year degree and make 2.5 million won think the money is great. Out of all my friends from uni and high school, I'm by far the poorest.
I like it cause I'm not doing it for the money, I can travel, move, make a 1 year committment, decide again what i want to do......

In short, if you are at best middle of the road, there are at least 150 other places to go.
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