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Rteacher
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jinju
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| Coming from Krishnas, this is simply hilarious. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls ... |
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A strong case for what? |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Well, at least an apparently logical case is made that there has been suppression and/or ignorance (on the part of some vested sectarian interests) of historical evidence gleaned from the Dead Sea Scrolls, relating to the roots of Christianity.
Although the author of the article is associated in some way with the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, it may be that his viewpoint also reflects some Hindu sectarian attitudes (fueled by annoyance at the way so-called Christian missionaries have operated in India ...)
I think that it's an important topic worth looking into - beginning with the books mentioned in the article...
The contents of the first scrolls released by the Ecole Biblique created such a stir in the intellectual world that no further scrolls were available for examination until an unknown defector working inside the Ecole Biblique leaked out photo copies of the remaining texts to Professor Robert Eisenman of California State University. The first photocopies of the Dead Sea Scrolls began arriving at Professor Eisenman's office in September of 1989 and the last photocopy arrived in late autumn in 1990. This was indeed theological espionage and intrigue at its best.
Two weeks after receiving the last document Professor Eisenman published a two volume edition containing photocopies of all the scrolls under the title The Facsimile Edition of the Dead Sea Scrolls. At this point the Vatican got involved up to their neck in the politics of trying to suppress the publication of the Dead Sea Scrolls but ultimately failed. Scholars and theologians of integrity soon began the translation of the remaining Dead Sea Scrolls and the cat was out of the bag!
By the time scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls one very important fact immerged - something that probably no one expected. Nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus mentioned - shocking indeed. Nor did the popular Christian view of early Christianity find any support in the new translations.
To summarize Professor N.S. Rajaram in his book The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Crisis of Christianity,the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls challenge the two most fundamental beliefs of Christianity: the uniqueness of Jesus Christ and Christianity as the embodiment of the message of Christ. Both these are put in jeopardy by the Dead Sea Scrolls and thus it becomes understandable why the Catholic Church procrastinated in making the Dead Sea Scrolls available to the world...
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/05-07/editorials1564.htm
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jinju
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like a big conspiracy. You got IGTG's mental illness?
Photocopies of the scrolls? Were they xeroxing the scrolls late at night in some office?
Please, you believe in a funny gay guy who prances around with tigers and rabbits. What credibility do you as a krishna have on ANYTHING? |
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Xian
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
Well, at least an apparently logical case is made that there has been suppression and/or ignorance (on the part of some vested sectarian interests) of historical evidence gleaned from the Dead Sea Scrolls, relating to the roots of Christianity.
Although the author of the article is associated in some way with the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, it may be that his viewpoint also reflects some Hindu sectarian attitudes (fueled by annoyance at the way so-called Christian missionaries have operated in India ...)
I think that it's an important topic worth looking into - beginning with the books mentioned in the article...
The contents of the first scrolls released by the Ecole Biblique created such a stir in the intellectual world that no further scrolls were available for examination until an unknown defector working inside the Ecole Biblique leaked out photo copies of the remaining texts to Professor Robert Eisenman of California State University. The first photocopies of the Dead Sea Scrolls began arriving at Professor Eisenman's office in September of 1989 and the last photocopy arrived in late autumn in 1990. This was indeed theological espionage and intrigue at its best.
Two weeks after receiving the last document Professor Eisenman published a two volume edition containing photocopies of all the scrolls under the title The Facsimile Edition of the Dead Sea Scrolls. At this point the Vatican got involved up to their neck in the politics of trying to suppress the publication of the Dead Sea Scrolls but ultimately failed. Scholars and theologians of integrity soon began the translation of the remaining Dead Sea Scrolls and the cat was out of the bag!
By the time scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls one very important fact immerged - something that probably no one expected. Nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus mentioned - shocking indeed. Nor did the popular Christian view of early Christianity find any support in the new translations.
To summarize Professor N.S. Rajaram in his book The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Crisis of Christianity,the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls challenge the two most fundamental beliefs of Christianity: the uniqueness of Jesus Christ and Christianity as the embodiment of the message of Christ. Both these are put in jeopardy by the Dead Sea Scrolls and thus it becomes understandable why the Catholic Church procrastinated in making the Dead Sea Scrolls available to the world...
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/05-07/editorials1564.htm
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Its not necessarily a big deal that Jesus' name isn't mentioned in pre-Christ documents. Its believed that the scrolls were owned by a fanatical /zealous type of group known as the Essenes. Sure, those living at the same time possibly heard about Him, but not suprising that He is not mentioned. While the dates of the owners of the documents go into the first century, the documents are not 1st century documents (though I understand there might be a portion of Mark in them).
They are Jewish people and documents. Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls states: "According to carbon dating, textual analysis, and handwriting analysis the documents were written at various times between the middle of the 2nd century BC and the 1st century AD. At least one document has a carbon date range of 21 BC�61 AD".
The Biblical books mentioned in the scrolls are from the OT and many are not Scripture. (Maybe they were for the Essenses, but not the Jews or Christians). The ones with a delay in publication cover only a portion of the scrolls, but they have been released and quite a while ago. It is also believed that the documents were not altered by the actual owners; if they were, this would be the only reason to expect to hear about Christ and Christianity.
The Essenes were a very reclusive and radical group. The scrolls were found in the caves because these people chose to seperate themselves from the lifestyle of the world at the time. If they altered the documents, they would have very little ability to accurately portray Christ at the time.
The Essenes were not Christians and when the article notes the lifestyle of Christians, they are showing their lack of research and show that they have little understanding about Jewish / Christian history of that time period; the lifestyle descriptions they are describing are those of the Essene cult. Its not hard to find out who the Essenes were and their lifestyle.
The autor of the article backs nothing up. The fact that they were Jewish highlights their view that the Messiah never came. |
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Rteacher
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I personally have faith that Jesus was a pure representative/ Son of God, but I also believe that sectarian religious institutions become corrupted and infected with materialistic concerns over time ...
Also, isn't it a fact that many scholars consider John the Baptist, a cousin of Jesus, to have been a member of the Essenes (and a strict vegetarian like most original Christians?...)
The author of this article makes a case that John the Baptist was a member of the Qumran Essenes in Southern Israel, while Jesus was a member of the "Nazarene" Essenes of Mt. Carmel, located in northern Israel...
http://www.essene.org/Essenes_of_Mount_Carmel.htm |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, at least an apparently logical case is made that there has been suppression and/or ignorance (on the part of some vested sectarian interests) of historical evidence gleaned from the Dead Sea Scrolls, relating to the roots of Christianity. |
Wow, you mean people who believe in an imaginary friend or a giant blue baby cherry pick only the evidence that confirms the choice they made in the koolaid they swallowed and actively suppress information that is the polar opposite? GOOD XENU SAY IT AIN'T SO! |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, isn't it a fact that many scholars consider John the Baptist, a cousin of Jesus, to have been a member of the Essenes (and a strict vegetarian like most original Christians?...) |
The first followers of Christ were fishermen, people who would not have been vegetarians. Fish as a food source was common to the early (and later) Christians. It is found in many places | | |
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