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North Korea: anyone done it, and was it a problem to return?

 
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: North Korea: anyone done it, and was it a problem to return? Reply with quote

And I don't mean the straight-to-the-resort tour. I mean the official government tour to the 'nice' parts of NK. I've heard that they'll give you an insert for your passport that you can tear out so you can return to ROK. Can anyone verify this? I'd love to try this tour this summer.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this guy did it. I looked into it. The problem isn't with the South Korean authorities, the problem is getting a visa from the North.

Basically you need to find someone willing to act as a sponsor to say you are employed by them in a country that isn't Korea. Which you can read about here.

I do think that you should think about this very carefully. Of all the countries to fudge the truth about during the Visa process, I NK isn't one of them. Chances are that nothing will happen, but if some bored clerk starts looking through your passport you could be in serious trouble and have to hope the Swedish Embassy is feeling nice that day to help you out.

But if you decide to go, it's a trip you'll never forget.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
this guy did it. I looked into it. The problem isn't with the South Korean authorities, the problem is getting a visa from the North.

Basically you need to find someone willing to act as a sponsor to say you are employed by them in a country that isn't Korea. Which you can read about here.

I do think that you should think about this very carefully. Of all the countries to fudge the truth about during the Visa process, I NK isn't one of them. Chances are that nothing will happen, but if some bored clerk starts looking through your passport you could be in serious trouble and have to hope the Swedish Embassy is feeling nice that day to help you out.

But if you decide to go, it's a trip you'll never forget.


Cheers. Long time, no see. How's NZ?
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm planning on going next spring when they have the Mass Games.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
I'm planning on going next spring when they have the Mass Games.


When are they? How are you planning on getting there? Will you be working in ROK at the time?
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.koryotours.com/tours/index.html

This is the website and tour company that I plan on using.

It gives specific dates for the Mass Games as well. I want to be there for either the opening or closing ceremony. I have a lot of flexibility on when I can take a vacation so I should be able to make it.


I guess I'll be flying into Beijing and then Koryo Tours gets you onto a flight into Pyongyang.

I'm also considering taking the train back to Beijing from Pyongyang if I have enough time.



I will be working in Seoul at the time so that part will be tricky. I'll have to do a lot more research on that.
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cbeck13



Joined: 29 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i find it unbelievable that people think about visiting that coutry. for what purpose? to support their government by throwing thousands of dollars at them to come in for a few days. do you really want to give your money to a government that lets their people suffer they way they do? a country that still has thousands of people dying in labor camps for no good reason? morally, i just couldn't do it. and any argument you may present can't dispute the fact that its that simple.....you are supporting that government.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I know all that.

However, have you ever purchased gasoline for your car? Because there is a good chance that some of your money is going to the regime in Saudi Arabia which also has a horrible human rights record.



I realize I'm supplying the North Koreas with money (although I assume tourism only represents a small portion of the nations budget), but at the same time I feel it's important that some Westerners see the country first hand.

Yes, you will have a guide the entire time feeding you constant propaganda, but you can still learn a lot and perhaps influence some people there and abroad with your experience.

Morally it's wrong. But sometimes you have to shift your moral compass because it is an immoral world out there.
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cbeck13



Joined: 29 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gasoline is necessary for many people to make their livelihoods in this world.......visiting communist North Korean......not so much

please don't compare the two

if you want to know more about the awful things that happen there....read about them...try The Aquariums of Pyongyang....that might turn you off from visiting
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbeck13 wrote:
gasoline is necessary for many people to make their livelihoods in this world.......visiting communist North Korean......not so much

please don't compare the two

if you want to know more about the awful things that happen there....read about them...try The Aquariums of Pyongyang....that might turn you off from visiting


Don't hijack.

Leave the man alone. I don't hear him telling you what to do.

I also plan to visit the North, waiting until my Korean is better though.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
http://www.koryotours.com/tours/index.html

This is the website and tour company that I plan on using.

It gives specific dates for the Mass Games as well. I want to be there for either the opening or closing ceremony. I have a lot of flexibility on when I can take a vacation so I should be able to make it.


I guess I'll be flying into Beijing and then Koryo Tours gets you onto a flight into Pyongyang.

I'm also considering taking the train back to Beijing from Pyongyang if I have enough time.



I will be working in Seoul at the time so that part will be tricky. I'll have to do a lot more research on that.


Do you know if Koryo Tours is the only agency with whom you can go?
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am 99% sure it is the only agency you can go through.
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shoeboy



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not gunna google it to provide links but i looked into before and other places do tours there. Expensive as hell.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
gasoline is necessary for many people to make their livelihoods in this world.......visiting communist North Korean......not so much


Gasoline from Saudi is not a necessity. Brazilians these days are mainly using ethanol to propel their cars.
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