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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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 Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:43 am Post subject: |
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I love threads like this. It's really a great opportunity for the nutjobs and narcissists to reveal themselves. Here's a handy tip: if you think that teenagers of the opposite sex are waving and greeting you while giggling is a sign of rudeness, you are full of yourself. If you actually get upset about it, you need a one-two from Chuck Liddell to straighten your stupid ass out.
This thread reminds me of when I was walking around with SPINOZA and everyone kept telling us we look like twins and asking if we're brothers. Do you think either one of us spazzed out and called them racist jerks for thinking white guys look the same? Give me a break. |
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crazykiwi
Joined: 07 Jun 2003
Location: new zealand via daejeon
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I once thought it was just a korean thing, this "hello ....", but alsas, i was wrong. I now teach at public school in New Zealand, and lo and behold, the kids here do it too. If your new in the community the kids know it, and they say hello to me just as much. Not really a big deal. You just say hello back and walk on by. not really that hard. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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i've said it before. i'll say it again. kids are kids, and if you get butt-hurt about a bunch of kids being kids, maybe you're in the wrong professsion. assuming you're a teacher, of course.
if you're an uptight businessman then by all means be a princess about kids being kids. you've earned the right. |
So, is it all right for kids to dong chim teachers? Korean kids dong chim Korean teachers, right? Do Korean kids dong chim foreign teachers just like Korean teachers? Do they do that to Korean teachers? Well, it is novel to dong chim foreign teachers, right? Kids are just being kids, right?
Back in Korea one hour ... and dong-chimmed
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=64291
dong-chim day at my hagwon!
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=56288
"I got ddong-chimmed today."
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| I got ddong-chimmed today. I had been repeatedly warned about this strange activity by other foreign teachers here, but I never thought I would actually live to experience the magic for myself. Ahh... wrong again. A "ddong-chim" is when a Korean child (usually) clasps his hands together as if praying, but with the forefingers pointing up and pressed together, and then sneaks behind his victim and tries to shove the fingers as far up his/her butt as possible. Loosely translated, the word "ddong" means "*beep*" and the word "chim" means "needle" -- so, "ddong-chim" = *beep* needle. If you're having trouble putting this together, or if you just want me to type it out -- a Korean child tried to stick his fingers up my butt this afternoon, it was surprising and unpleasant, and I made it very clear that he should never do it again. |
http://www.landoftheanxiousdog.com/2003/12/_i_got_ddongchi.html
Dong Chims and Dried Squid
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| "Dong chim" is a Korean phrase that refers to splitting something apart by stabbing. The desired target of this childish prank is the underside of a vulnerable victim's rear end. In other words, a dong chim strike attempts to part buttocks like the Biblical Red Sea. There was one split second to respond before the demented little bugger's hands shot at me � action and reaction � my nemesis and I made our best move. |
http://www.ajarn.com/Contris/kenmaynovember2004.htm
Dong Chim Game
http://www.mikewang.org/dongchim.htm |
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Nicco61
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: North Carolina, USA
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
i've said it before. i'll say it again. kids are kids, and if you get butt-hurt about a bunch of kids being kids, maybe you're in the wrong professsion. assuming you're a teacher, of course.
if you're an uptight businessman then by all means be a princess about kids being kids. you've earned the right. |
So, is it all right for kids to dong chim teachers? Korean kids dong chim Korean teachers, right? Do Korean kids dong chim foreign teachers just like Korean teachers? Do they do that to Korean teachers? Well, it is novel to dong chim foreign teachers, right? Kids are just being kids, right?
Back in Korea one hour ... and dong-chimmed
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=64291
dong-chim day at my hagwon!
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=56288
"I got ddong-chimmed today."
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| I got ddong-chimmed today. I had been repeatedly warned about this strange activity by other foreign teachers here, but I never thought I would actually live to experience the magic for myself. Ahh... wrong again. A "ddong-chim" is when a Korean child (usually) clasps his hands together as if praying, but with the forefingers pointing up and pressed together, and then sneaks behind his victim and tries to shove the fingers as far up his/her butt as possible. Loosely translated, the word "ddong" means "*beep*" and the word "chim" means "needle" -- so, "ddong-chim" = *beep* needle. If you're having trouble putting this together, or if you just want me to type it out -- a Korean child tried to stick his fingers up my butt this afternoon, it was surprising and unpleasant, and I made it very clear that he should never do it again. |
http://www.landoftheanxiousdog.com/2003/12/_i_got_ddongchi.html
Dong Chims and Dried Squid
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| "Dong chim" is a Korean phrase that refers to splitting something apart by stabbing. The desired target of this childish prank is the underside of a vulnerable victim's rear end. In other words, a dong chim strike attempts to part buttocks like the Biblical Red Sea. There was one split second to respond before the demented little bugger's hands shot at me � action and reaction � my nemesis and I made our best move. |
http://www.ajarn.com/Contris/kenmaynovember2004.htm
Dong Chim Game
http://www.mikewang.org/dongchim.htm |
Do you just keep copying and pasteing the same post? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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I teach elementary school. I've asked my students if they do that and they were like "No way!" I asked why, they said because it's weird...
At some point it becomes an annoying game....kind of like some test of their daring and your patience....
I find it incredibly irritating but it depends on the situation on whether I will reply or not. The way I see it, if he or she are looking at me when they say it, I MIGHT say hello back. If it's yelled at me or said behind my back, the offender gets a dirty look their trouble.... |
Same with me. If a kid comes up to me and politely says 'Hi', I'll reply kindly and the ones, especially the little ones, who come up to me to say "Anyonghaseyo" always make me smile...but those standing 50m away and screaming 'Hello' from the top of their lungs...I ignore them. They should know better than to do something like that. They don't shout at Korean adults like that, so why should they do the same to me?
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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No, it's mostly a Korean thing. Doesnt happen in Europe, doesnt happen in China, doesnt happen in Thailand, doesnt happen in Japan, doesnt happen in the US.
Koreans feel they have a real disconnect with non-Koreans. When they say hello, as someone else mentioned, they usually giggle and laugh and act all giddy. Its like they're feeding the bears at the zoo and they're afraid the bear is going to growl and roar if they stick thier hands in the cage. They are not saying it to be kind or friendly to you, they're either doing it for excitement value or because it makes them look brave in front of thier friends.
There's that TV commercial where the guy from Guatemala is asking 3 Korean women for directions, and they just start laughing and singing a stupid song... meanwhile, the guy is just standing there looking confused. The feelings I get from that commercial are ones of dismay for the poor Guatemalan guy... but its clear, due to the purpose of the ad, the feelings the Koreans are supposed to get are ones of funny times and good humor at how these 3 Korean women have taunted the bear at the zoo... Korean society is racist, socially-demented and xenophobic, and the "hello! heeheehee" is another symptom of it. |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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If a kid comes up to me and politely says 'Hi', I'll reply kindly and the ones, especially the little ones, who come up to me to say "Anyonghaseyo" always make me smile...but those standing 50m away and screaming 'Hello' from the top of their lungs...I ignore them. They should know better not to do something like that. They don't shout at Korean adults like that, so why should they do the same to me?
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Kimchi Cha Cha
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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There's that TV commercial where the guy from Guatemala is asking 3 Korean women for directions, and they just start laughing and singing a stupid song... meanwhile, the guy is just standing there looking confused. The feelings I get from that commercial are ones of dismay for the poor Guatemalan guy... but its clear, due to the purpose of the ad, the feelings the Koreans are supposed to get are ones of funny times and good humor at how these 3 Korean women have taunted the bear at the zoo... Korean society is racist, socially-demented and xenophobic, and the "hello! heeheehee" is another symptom of it. |
A month or two back, I saw that commercial with my now ex-(Korean) girlfriend and she started laughing her head off at it, I just sighed.
As for the topic at hand. I can always tell if the person saying hello is genuine or not, it's not too difficult. The genuine ones are acting sensibly, respectful and polite; whereas the morons are usually in a group, are giggling throughout and don't give up until they get a response from the foreign monkey.
As for my reaction, it depends on my mood and the situation. I always have time for the genuine people, even if I'm not really in the mood, as they are being respectful and I'm glad they are comfortable enough to approach me.
The ratbags I usually have less time for though I'm usually equally obnoxious in return, but sometimes just ignore the twits. It doesn't bother me much or ruin my day at all and I forget about it about 5 seconds after the event. But, I agree with ella, pest2 and others who have said that the non-genuine ones are indeed incredibly rude and treating you like a funny object and not a real person. I pity anyone who can't tell when they're truly being mocked and pass it off as kids (or sometimes young adults) just being friendly.  |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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As for the topic at hand. I can always tell if the person saying hello is genuine or not, it's not too difficult. The genuine ones are acting sensibly, respectful and polite; whereas the morons are usually in a group, are giggling throughout and don't give up until they get a response from the foreign monkey.
As for my reaction, it depends on my mood and the situation. I always have time for the genuine people, even if I'm not really in the mood, as they are being respectful and I'm glad they are comfortable enough to approach me.
The ratbags I usually have less time for though I'm usually equally obnoxious in return, but sometimes just ignore the twits. It doesn't bother me much or ruin my day at all and I forget about it about 5 seconds after the event. But, I agree with ella, pest2 and others who have said that the non-genuine ones are indeed incredibly rude and treating you like a funny object and not a real person. I pity anyone who can't tell when they're truly being mocked and pass it off as kids (or sometimes young adults) just being friendly.
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another well written and accurate post. |
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formerflautist
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| So what if kids do giggle when they say hello? So what if it's a game to them? Are you that thin-skinned that you can't handle some teenagers having some fun? I honestly don't care about that sort of thing. Why? Because I'm 28 and I'm really past worrying about what some stranger thinks about me. |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| So what if kids do giggle when they say hello? So what if it's a game to them? Are you that thin-skinned that you can't handle some teenagers having some fun? I honestly don't care about that sort of thing. Why? Because I'm 28 and I'm really past worrying about what some stranger thinks about me. |
ignoring it is easy enough, even if it is sometimes followed by 'puck you' or some other inane statement. The real fun is trying to explain to your 4 year old daughter why they do that.
This behaviour is merely an indicator of the sickness at the heart of Korean society. |
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Kimchi Cha Cha
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| formerflautist wrote: |
| So what if kids do giggle when they say hello? So what if it's a game to them? Are you that thin-skinned that you can't handle some teenagers having some fun? I honestly don't care about that sort of thing. Why? Because I'm 28 and I'm really past worrying about what some stranger thinks about me. |
I couldn't care less what they think about me and it doesn't bother me.
But, at the same time, the people who brush this sort of thing off as kids being kids or that the kids were really just being friendly are doing a disservice to Korea in the long run. I like Korea and am thankful for the opportunities it has given me but culturally-enlightened it is not. Korea has these aspirations of being a world power but it will never get there unless it loosens up and starts to see non-Koreans as worthy of the same respect as Koreans.
The people who really like Korea and let these and other obnoxious actions slide, always finding excuses or deflecting from the actual intent of the greeter, are doing Korea a disservice. If people let stupid stuff like this slide, it will still occur 20 years from now. By that stage, other countries less xenophobic than Korea such as Malaysia will be at a similar level to Korea, with Korea wondering why they're treading water and not yet a global player. The youth are the future of this country and if foreigners let them act like jerks in front of them, the kids will grow up thinking foreigners aren't worthy of the same respect, and this country will continue along the same xenophobic path.
*Stepping off my soap box* |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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So simple a thread, but one of the best! You can really "see" the character and thinking of many of the posters here.
Swetepete, that poem was awesome! Care to share anymore?
As for the topic, man... it's "hello". The day that term becomes rude is a sad day for all civilization. It's just trying to be civil. Yea, Koreans carry it too far. For them it's a test of courage and intelligence amoungst their peers. You never did something odd or foolish when surrounded by your friends out in public? I sure have...just last night I went to a bar and.....well, I save that for another time...
If it really bothers you that much then when they say "hello" then immediately turn around and engage them in a real English conversation. That'll 1.) really freak them out and they'll never do that again or 2) really get a kick out of it, think you are one friendly foreigner and have more respect for you as an individual rather than some random foreigner to shout "hello" to. Either way Seoulman, you and Newbie need to drink less coffee and learn to relax or you're in for a tougher time.
and btw, who says "douchebag" anymore?
The best part of this thead is you got Real Reality to speak and say "Hello"! I am really in awe.....I....just....wow.....stunned....  |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| uberscheisse wrote: |
i've said it before. i'll say it again. kids are kids, and if you get butt-hurt about a bunch of kids being kids, maybe you're in the wrong professsion. assuming you're a teacher, of course.
if you're an uptight businessman then by all means be a princess about kids being kids. you've earned the right. |
So, is it all right for kids to dong chim teachers? Korean kids dong chim Korean teachers, right? Do Korean kids dong chim foreign teachers just like Korean teachers? Do they do that to Korean teachers? Well, it is novel to dong chim foreign teachers, right? Kids are just being kids, right?
Back in Korea one hour ... and dong-chimmed
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=64291
dong-chim day at my hagwon!
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=56288
"I got ddong-chimmed today."
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| I got ddong-chimmed today. I had been repeatedly warned about this strange activity by other foreign teachers here, but I never thought I would actually live to experience the magic for myself. Ahh... wrong again. A "ddong-chim" is when a Korean child (usually) clasps his hands together as if praying, but with the forefingers pointing up and pressed together, and then sneaks behind his victim and tries to shove the fingers as far up his/her butt as possible. Loosely translated, the word "ddong" means "*beep*" and the word "chim" means "needle" -- so, "ddong-chim" = *beep* needle. If you're having trouble putting this together, or if you just want me to type it out -- a Korean child tried to stick his fingers up my butt this afternoon, it was surprising and unpleasant, and I made it very clear that he should never do it again. |
http://www.landoftheanxiousdog.com/2003/12/_i_got_ddongchi.html
Dong Chims and Dried Squid
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| "Dong chim" is a Korean phrase that refers to splitting something apart by stabbing. The desired target of this childish prank is the underside of a vulnerable victim's rear end. In other words, a dong chim strike attempts to part buttocks like the Biblical Red Sea. There was one split second to respond before the demented little bugger's hands shot at me � action and reaction � my nemesis and I made our best move. |
http://www.ajarn.com/Contris/kenmaynovember2004.htm
Dong Chim Game
http://www.mikewang.org/dongchim.htm |
Do you just keep copying and pasteing the same post? |
You haven't known Real Reality for very long, have you?
That's his shtick. |
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esetters21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Ella....
They do not say anyong ha sea yo to Koreans because for a Korean child there is no novelty there.....it is still not rude...they are kids for Petes sake....put it in perspective people... 
All they are doing is saying hello.... |
I have to agree. Consider the fact that these are for the most part teenagers that you are referring to. Compare this simple "hello" and giggling to how we as teenagers acted in our own countries. This behavior is not as bad as some of you are making it out to be. |
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