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deadman
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Sorry, back on topic:
Whether or not Ron Paul wins, he is the uncomfortable demonstration that the Republican/Democrat division is a completely artificial and meaningless one.
Now we can see a new division - between the bought-and-paid-for whores of corporate America and Israel, and.. er.. the rest.
The latter is rather under represented - and quite probably doesn't stand a chance. Nice to hear the voice of the people backing sanity though. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Are you perhaps legitimising the Palestinian resistance, then? |
How so?
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| After all, didn't Israel start it all with terrorist bombings and ethnic cleansings? |
Actually in 1948 the Arab side of the conflict tried to kick out the Jews of the area when they refused the UN partition. Not my fault you don't know the history. Not only that Israel's enemies also persecuted and expelled the arab jews of the area.
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| By your logic, the Palestinians should defend themselves until Israel stops stealing land and water. |
Israel ought to leave the West Bank just as soon as the Palestinian side says they won't attack if they do.
When David Icky supporters breathe good oxygen is lost. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| deadman wrote: |
Sorry, back on topic:
Whether or not Ron Paul wins, he is the uncomfortable demonstration that the Republican/Democrat division is a completely artificial and meaningless one.
Now we can see a new division - between the bought-and-paid-for whores of corporate America and Israel, and.. er.. the rest.
The latter is rather under represented - and quite probably doesn't stand a chance. Nice to hear the voice of the people backing sanity though. |
Beware of all those who say that we need to be saved from the corrupt democracy -which must be bypassed and so they are taking their case directly to the people.
Such was the message of Hitler and he would smile at everything you say and stand for. |
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deadman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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Are you perhaps legitimising the Palestinian resistance, then? |
How so? |
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| It is not aggressive to go after those who are out to get you. It is defensive. |
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| After all, didn't Israel start it all with terrorist bombings and ethnic cleansings? |
Actually in 1948 the Arab side of the conflict tried to kick out the Jews of the area when they refused the UN partition. Not my fault you don't know the history. Not only that Israel's enemies also persecuted and expelled the arab jews of the area. |
You're right, I should have said "Zionists", not Israel, specifically the Irgun terrorist group.
I'm sure you do know your "history" better than me - for me it's only a hobby, not a full time job.
Whatever the endless justifications are though - the fact is Israel is a racist state, and relies on constant and aggressive propaganda and manipulation to keep its head above water, public opinion-wise, the most distasteful of which is the exploitation of the holocaust for political purposes.
That's basically what attracts me to needling at these "taboo" subjects. |
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deadman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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Sorry, back on topic:
Whether or not Ron Paul wins, he is the uncomfortable demonstration that the Republican/Democrat division is a completely artificial and meaningless one.
Now we can see a new division - between the bought-and-paid-for whores of corporate America and Israel, and.. er.. the rest.
The latter is rather under represented - and quite probably doesn't stand a chance. Nice to hear the voice of the people backing sanity though. |
Beware of all those who say that we need to be saved from the corrupt democracy -which must be bypassed and so they are taking their case directly to the people.
Such was the message of Hitler and he would smile at everything you say and stand for. |
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| ..which must be bypassed.. |
Pretty sure I didn't say that, so you must not be talking about me.
I just said it's corrupt. Are you saying it's not? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| How is Israel a racist state? |
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deadman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| How is Israel a racist state? |
"Facts" believed by me which may or may not be true:
Israel was originally intended for, and and is in effect today, a country for Jewish people.
In Israel, Jewish people have had and do have preferential access to land (new settlements or productive farming areas).
There exists a superior and an inferior class of people, from the POV of the state, and they are the Jewish immigrants, and the former occupants of the land, respectively.
This division reminds me of apartheid-era South Africa - an effective, efficient, "white" privileged class, and a disorganized, underprivileged and inefficient under class.
[Edit--> Where I was going with that is, in their absence in Zimbabwe and SA, it can clearly be seen they did have their good points]
I see state-level racism as a fact of life. Any group of people with a group identity will look after themselves first. Individuals can and should adopt a more enlightened approach. I understand where Israel is coming from, and don't particularly begrudge them for it, but I will call it like I see it - and that's what I genuinely believe to be the case.
What I do object to is the constant propaganda efforts by the out-of-county lobby groups and advocacy organizations who are at the forefront of the battle for the hearts and minds, and dollars, of the free world.
I resent the fact that someone else is trying to manipulate me, so I occasionally play the anti-semite's advocate. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Aren't the "racist" state policies of Israel actually solidly in line with the vast majority of states on earth? |
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deadman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Aren't the "racist" state policies of Israel actually solidly in line with the vast majority of states on earth? |
Probably - there's a lot of countries in the world.
Let's look at the minority though - America, England, Australia, Canada, Western Europe. Would you say they are solidly in line with those, and how so? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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No. Western nations are the exception.
What other states would you sa | |
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