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procrastinatrix



Joined: 01 May 2006
Location: Sinchon

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: why won't korean guys let me pay? Reply with quote

My cousins (they're not actually blood relatives, but acquaintances of my actual relatives that my aunt recruited to show me around Seoul...but I just call them my cousins to make it easier) don't let me pay for anything. fyi I'm an ethnically Korean girl from the US.

Not that i'm really complaining, bc it's kind of nice being treated, but I'm starting to feel really bad because I know these guys aren't loaded, and it's not like I don't have money too. Usually the tab doesn't come out to that much (I'd assume, but I never actually see the check), but it definitely has to add up. Also I hate the feeling of being indebted to someone.
like yesterday while my cousin was having a cigarette, I snuck into a family mart and tried to buy a 500 won popsicle. Out of nowhere, he appears, snatches it away saying "We're in Korea now" and pays, deaf to my cries of "I have money too! It's only 500 won!"

Are my cousins just being extra nice? Is it just a cultural thing and I should just enjoy it?
So then is it offensive to offer to split the check (guys or girls or both)? Because personally I feel really rude just sitting there when the check comes and pretending not to notice...
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds a bit strange. Koreans even use the word 'dutch', as in to split the meal evenly. Guess they're trying to be good/friendly hosts. Or could be they're thinking 'this is the way you're supposed to treat American girls'.



VVVVVVVVVV Maybe K-guys don't with girls but K-girls definitely do with guys.


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Treefarmer



Joined: 29 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: why won't korean guys let me pay? Reply with quote

It's a cultural thing, Koreans don't split the check ever, it is kind of wierd for us, but it's just a cultural difference i think
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes sense if they're older than you. Standard, "senior" type behavior. Next time you're out with them, slip off to the washroom and pay the bill then.
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let them pay. Guys should pay more than the girl anyways. Going dutch all the time is crazy!
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

princess wrote:
Let them pay. Guys should pay more than the girl anyways. Going dutch all the time is crazy!


And why is that?
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Texas T-Bone



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Location: SK

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similiar situation when my wife went to Canada to see her family. Simple solution for her was leaving a nice amount of cash on her aunt's bed the morning she left. Take it as a compliment, but not for granted.

B~
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mj roach



Joined: 16 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see you haven't learned the little piece of 'theater' that's done for the benefit of the entire room, others in the party and the cashier....

it involves lots of 'elbowing', pushing thr others' hand full of cash out of the way and thrusting your handfull of cash at the cashier while mock arguing about who will pay.

You have definitely lost face.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you do is grab the check and sprint for the cashier and pay for the whole thing next time you go out. If they let people pay for you all the time they'll never treat you like an equal.
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kingtout



Joined: 03 May 2007
Location: ROK...again...

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: why won't korean guys let me pay? Reply with quote

procrastinatrix wrote:
My cousins (they're not actually blood relatives, but acquaintances of my actual relatives that my aunt recruited to show me around Seoul...but I just call them my cousins to make it easier) don't let me pay for anything. fyi I'm an ethnically Korean girl from the US.

Not that i'm really complaining, bc it's kind of nice being treated, but I'm starting to feel really bad because I know these guys aren't loaded, and it's not like I don't have money too. Usually the tab doesn't come out to that much (I'd assume, but I never actually see the check), but it definitely has to add up. Also I hate the feeling of being indebted to someone.
like yesterday while my cousin was having a cigarette, I snuck into a family mart and tried to buy a 500 won popsicle. Out of nowhere, he appears, snatches it away saying "We're in Korea now" and pays, deaf to my cries of "I have money too! It's only 500 won!"

Are my cousins just being extra nice? Is it just a cultural thing and I should just enjoy it?
So then is it offensive to offer to split the check (guys or girls or both)? Because personally I feel really rude just sitting there when the check comes and pretending not to notice...


It's like when you borrow money from the Mafia. Some day, they'll want it back. In favors. By puttinig them up in your house for 6-9 months while they stay in your town overseas, or help with visa sponsor letters for their girl/boy friend or kids. Stuff like that.
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mateomiguel



Joined: 16 May 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
princess wrote:
Let them pay. Guys should pay more than the girl anyways. Going dutch all the time is crazy!


And why is that?


Because it makes us feel good! All manly provider and stuff.

Release the feminists!
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:25 am    Post subject: Re: why won't korean guys let me pay? Reply with quote

procrastinatrix wrote:
My cousins (they're not actually blood relatives, but acquaintances of my actual relatives that my aunt recruited to show me around Seoul...but I just call them my cousins to make it easier) don't let me pay for anything. fyi I'm an ethnically Korean girl from the US.

Not that i'm really complaining, bc it's kind of nice being treated, but I'm starting to feel really bad because I know these guys aren't loaded, and it's not like I don't have money too. Usually the tab doesn't come out to that much (I'd assume, but I never actually see the check), but it definitely has to add up. Also I hate the feeling of being indebted to someone.
like yesterday while my cousin was having a cigarette, I snuck into a family mart and tried to buy a 500 won popsicle. Out of nowhere, he appears, snatches it away saying "We're in Korea now" and pays, deaf to my cries of "I have money too! It's only 500 won!"

Are my cousins just being extra nice? Is it just a cultural thing and I should just enjoy it?
So then is it offensive to offer to split the check (guys or girls or both)? Because personally I feel really rude just sitting there when the check comes and pretending not to notice...



I am not Korean, but I have seen this in another culture, so I can kind of figure this out and give you an explanation. Korea is an honour bound culture, and that includes being hospitable to family. Family is very important. You are their guest, in a way, as a visitor and family, they must treat you. They would feel embarassed, otherwise.
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procrastinatrix



Joined: 01 May 2006
Location: Sinchon

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i've seen my dad do that whole argue about who pays thing with any/all male friends or family members..
but is it okay for girls to do that too? I wasn't sure if we're allowed...
I guess I'll pay them back with presents or something before I leave...maybe free english lessons Very Happy
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i am with Koreans, I am seldom allowed to pay anything at all.

But they do like it when you make the effort to pay.
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crsandus



Joined: 05 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a guy and I rarely if ever pay when I go to Korea. My sisters or my brother in law will always rush off the pay for it before I can utter a peep. I think I'll be expected to pay in the next visit or so since the novelty of an adopted son coming back to visit will soon wear off. Wink

The whole "saving face" thing about money and who pays can get awful annoying at times. I'm not the type to argue or hassle, which goes against the whole nature of "fighting" to pay for a bill or such. I got a dumb story that elaborates on that.
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