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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: For those of you with children... Reply with quote

How do you feel about having strangers come up and touch your child? It seems to be prevalent in Korean culture, and pretty much acceptable. I am guessing that all of you parents here have had it happen. How did you feel? How did you react?

I am going to be a parent quite soon, and it is a major issue of contention between my wife and I.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me tell you.

I really don't like it, and they do it without any shame or thought, so you cannot even intervene.

Koreans will cry hell that they are hygenic, but i believe otherwise.

Not only that, but if i go for a walk with my son, i get a constant "Ohh Ipuda", especially from the younger women. It is starting to bug me, a lot.

But then again, this is a different culture, i just whish i could see them do it with Korean kids too!
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I don't mind words, as long as they're not insults. I am a bit concerned about my child seeing bad behaviour and hearing bad words. Granted, that happens everywhere, but with Korea's high population density, it will happen more often.

The touching bothers me. I never touch a stranger's child, and sometimes not even someone I know.


Juregen wrote:
Let me tell you.

I really don't like it, and they do it without any shame or thought, so you cannot even intervene.

Koreans will cry hell that they are hygenic, but i believe otherwise.

Not only that, but if i go for a walk with my son, i get a constant "Ohh Ipuda", especially from the younger women. It is starting to bug me, a lot.

But then again, this is a different culture, i just whish i could see them do it with Korean kids too!
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It seems to be prevalent in Korean culture, and pretty much acceptable. I am guessing that all of you parents here have had it happen. How did you feel? How did you react?


It is a more touchy culture and people are used to handling kids. I personally have no problem with it Within certain limits). I like the fact my son feels confortable with people. I also like the fact the whole neighborhood knows him and will watch out for him. That is a big plus compared to back home for example.

As for people approaching my son, it happens all the time and happened a lot when he was still a toddler. The first few times we went to the market it was like some festival. Laughing

One ajuma we know from there came up and picked up our son from his stroller. She played with him, which made him laugh (very cool) and then took the little dude on a tour of the market. Back home I would have never accepted this...here its different. There is far less fear of the stranger here. The thing is that they behave this way with Korean kids too as they are used to being handled by strangers.


Other examples are on the airplane to Canada when we visited in 2005. Our son was 8 months at the time and the plane was full of Koreans on the Busan to Detroit flight (via Tokyo). Well, the elderly Korean couple next to us played with our son and told my wife and I that they would be happy to watch him for a bit if we wanted to sleep. They then played with our son, who by the way completely enjoyed it, for over an hour while my wife rested and I watched on.

Thats just my reaction to it, then again, I had seen similar behaviour with my brothers kids in Japan and we (brother and I) were both in strong disagreement with the completely over protective behaviour with kids back home where fear dictates everything.

We watch out and do not let everyone touch or son but we sure do not shy him away from human contact.

My two cents..hope it contributes to this discussion.
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I partly agree with you Homer.

At first I THOUGHT it would bother me, and it did when our daughter was really young. I didn't like adjumas poking and prodding her and handing her hard candy.

Like another poster said, the pretty comments are a hell of a lot better than nasty ones, and the young women who usually make these comments don't single out foreign/Korean kids.

I will draw the line with people trying to pick up my daughter however.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't agree less. While I am not adverse to the cootchy coo stuff and will gladly let people I know nurse him if they ask, I don't want random strangers coming up and damn near pulling my son's arm off, like the retarded old hag who lives in our block did yesterday. What is more, I often carry him on my chest in a sling, and some women here think the fact that they popped a few mutants out of their smelly bits gives them carte blanche to come and adjust him. My son is two months old and sleeps fitfully. Often I take him out for a walk as it sends him straight to sleep. But oh no, some permed old harridan has to come up and put herself where her overzealous touching and 15th century parenting tips are unwanted. Getting him back to sleep is a pain in the butt, so much so that the next one to try it might just get my big hairy finger jabbed into her cruel, black, soulless eye.
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AylaZ



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh takes a while to get used. My son was 2 when we lived in China and it's just as bad over there. Here there doesn't seem to be any stranger awareness. My son is now 5 at the age where I am teaching him the whole beware of strangers thing!! still impt to learn but here not so useful so far, kids come and go by themselves everywhere it amazes me still. It is a little safer however there is always so many people around unlike my hometown n NZ where u wouldn't venture out on your own after dark!
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when the hand moves to touch my kid, I'm quick with 만지지마세요. if that doesn't work I forcibly move the hand away.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There has to be certain limits and I agree with what others said here about complete strangers picking up my son (it does not happen).

As for touching thats different and it depends on the person and the situation. I am a strong believer in the fact that our reactions as parents send a direct message to our kids. Reacting forcibly to every person coming close to my child would, in my opinion, install a fear reaction in him. This is not what I want to teach my son. So, if an ajum wants to shake my sons hand in the subway...no problem. If she wants to prod him, I tell her politely not to do so and that is the end of that. What I would not do (this is personal) is raise my voice or become physical.
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Reacting forcibly to every person coming close to my child would, in my opinion, install a fear reaction in him. This is not what I want to teach my son. So, if an ajum wants to shake my sons hand in the subway...no problem. If she wants to prod him, I tell her politely not to do so and that is the end of that. What I would not do (this is personal) is raise my voice or become physical.


Yep I have talked with some other parents and have heard them talk about worrying about the touching thing and that it still gets to them, maybe they have made an issue of it and it has affected their kids. I've heard of people moving back home and this being one of the reasons!!
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've heard of people moving back home and this being one of the reasons!!


Indeed as raising children is a highly personal thing based on personal values. Anyway, I am just saying how I view things but can perfectly understand how others would react differently to the touch thing in Korea. I disagree with the aversion to it but understand and respect the choice.
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a foreigner touches someones kid, i bet they would phone the police right away. We are all pedophiles you know! Mad
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danby_ll



Joined: 06 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I-am-me wrote:
If a foreigner touches someones kid, i bet they would phone the police right away. We are all pedophiles you know! Mad


Haha. I always touch Korean babies and toddlers and swoon over how cute they are, and the mothers are always delighted. Then again, I'm a young-looking female so they may react much differently to some older man doing the same thing.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or some sweaty guy just finishing up a workout, or some drunken ajosshi (which are the exact 2 things that my Korean friend objects to).

I will be saying 만지지마 when someone tries to touch my son/daughter. If they don't like that, a verbal tongue lashing will come.

I admire that some of you feel safe with strangers, and that's great. But if even 1 in 1000 people, or 1 in 10,000 people are psychotic or dangerous, you're taking too big of a risk.

People who we know = okay

People we don't know = *beep* off
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Col.Brandon



Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a good way for kids to build up their immune system.
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