Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

How hard is it for public school in GEPIK to replace NT?
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: How hard is it for public school in GEPIK to replace NT? Reply with quote

I'm wondering how hard it would be for a public school to replace a native teacher once they leave. Is there a wait list and schools who have gotten a native teacher are placed at the bottom?

I'm wondering because first off, schools seem very determined to get their NT to renew their contract. Being very forceful or pushy about it at times.

Secondly, does it look bad to a public school if their Native Teacher goes to a different school? With the demand for Native Teachers, and the actual amount of us available, it would seem like we are very precious commodities to the public schools. Can anyone offer any insights?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would presume that all the funding they get is taken away and the new staffroom coffee maker can't be bought anymore.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: How hard is it for public school in GEPIK to replace NT? Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
I'm wondering how hard it would be for a public school to replace a native teacher once they leave. Is there a wait list and schools who have gotten a native teacher are placed at the bottom?

I'm wondering because first off, schools seem very determined to get their NT to renew their contract. Being very forceful or pushy about it at times.

Secondly, does it look bad to a public school if their Native Teacher goes to a different school? With the demand for Native Teachers, and the actual amount of us available, it would seem like we are very precious commodities to the public schools. Can anyone offer any insights?


In my rural school district it's quite a pain in the arse for schools, from what I gather, and many of them have to scrape from the bottom of the barrel to get anyone. My VP seems very happy that his school has had no change-over with their FT, and thinks it looks good for the school to have me ready to start my third year. Last summer in my district there was a very high turnover rate of FTs (66%) and it most definitely did not look good for the district. Apparently it even made the local education news on a TV channel.

On the whole it seems very hit-and-miss re: whether schools get fTs with any experience or professionalism, and how long it takes.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have made the point before with my CT that she should be extremely happy that she has a teacher with experience, who is married, doesn't drink or smoke and overall leads a rather sedate/dull life.

I understand the not drinking confuses the poor buggers at the staff dinners but they should be happy I ain't out womanizing and sleeping in the street of this small town.

Time to start on the I'm irreplaceable propoganda.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: No list... Reply with quote

Most schools have no list of people waiting for a call...If an instructor leaves they are often left in the lurch having to figure out what to do, and in many cases they become more turned off by foreign instructors coming to their school...There are circumstances where a contract is ended for medical reasons beyond their control and in those situations the schools are much more understanding, but once the money is received from the MOE they must spend it on an instructor, so they will be forced to hire the replacement at the same level of pay the original instructor was at, unless they petition to the MOE for more funding...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
I have made the point before with my CT that she should be extremely happy that she has a teacher with experience, who is married, doesn't drink or smoke and overall leads a rather sedate/dull life.

Time to start on the I'm irreplaceable propoganda.


In a public school, we're just paperwork, and I feel like I'm taken for granted here. I'm the first NS they've had and I came in and took on the role with no difficulties, living or working. I kind of wish I pretended to struggle at first just to make a point of it. They'll probably need to get burned once or twice before they either smarten up or say bugger it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bosintang wrote:

In a public school, we're just paperwork, and I feel like I'm taken for granted here. I'm the first NS they've had and I came in and took on the role with no difficulties, living or working. They'll probably need to get burned once or twice before they either smarten up or say bugger it.


I feel that way too.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Too Bad... Reply with quote

Since being at my school (three years now) they have given me the opportunity to write three curriculum textbooks along with a host of other educational materials...I have the opportunity to use my free time at school for professional development and trying to improve the program goals...I try to work with the faculty closely to ensure we are going in the right direction...There are some things I am out of the loop on, but for the most part it is really fun to have such a proactive group of people to work with...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Been There, Taught That



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, since I have 21 months experience, I can feel free to let a recruiter know I want a public school and to say exactly what I will and won't accept? Of course, I'll do that anyway, but, you know.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really need to write down all the things that irk me about my school and bring them up at contract renewal meeting.

Be like "Hey, I'd love to renew with you guys buuuuuuuut......(list off item after item). I'd given it some thought and no thanks, I'll be going to a different school. Good day!"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
I really need to write down all the things that irk me about my school and bring them up at contract renewal meeting.

Be like "Hey, I'd love to renew with you guys buuuuuuuut......(list off item after item). I'd given it some thought and no thanks, I'll be going to a different school. Good day!"


Choose your battles carefully. Choose one or two things that piss you off the most in a professional capacity and one or two in a personal capacity (like if there are any problems with your accomodations or scheduling of holidays) and stick to them. Korean schools tend not to do well with wish lists, especially when the young Korean teachers they have on one-year contracts usually put up with far more crap than we would without complaining.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been There, Taught That wrote:
So, since I have 21 months experience, I can feel free to let a recruiter know I want a public school and to say exactly what I will and won't accept? Of course, I'll do that anyway, but, you know.


No. You will get the standard contract. If you don't accept it, they will find someone else who will, or do without.

After one year at your school though, if you have "proved your worth" that INDIVIDUAL school can be much more accomodating. But if right off the bat you come across as demanding and greedy, they are likely to give you a pass.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school is very remote. I am on my third contract with tem. The school wanted me to renew the contract but I've never been made to feel like a was indespensible. As noone speaks English all communication is done in Korean. I have even passed the Korean National Proficiency Test (high level) and still they haven't come accross as that eager to keep hold of me. Far from it; they actually wanted to increase the amount of classes I teach during camp. I feel so annoyed at them that I highly doubt I will renew. Virtually noone at the school is particuarly friendly and I have nothing in common with my colleagues. I might start telling them that I will only speak English to them from now one (this would resut in no conversation taking place as they can't speak English even at a basic level). Frankly, the fact that we can have a pretty fluent conversation in Korean has emboldened them to be more pissy with me. It's quite depressing.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
I really need to write down all the things that irk me about my school and bring them up at contract renewal meeting.

Be like "Hey, I'd love to renew with you guys buuuuuuuut......(list off item after item). I'd given it some thought and no thanks, I'll be going to a different school. Good day!"



Do it politely and don't make your list too long. Public school principals are happier to save face rather than keep a foreign teacher who dictated to him the terms of the renewal.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Morton



Joined: 06 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be a wimp. Go in and ask for the things you want. If they don't give you what you want then go elsewhere.

I'm the first NT my school has ever had. This means the way i act will set a precedent for any teachers who follow me. Approach it as you would a job back home. If you're not happy with what is offered then keep looking.

Please don't misinterpret this as advising you to go in with a list of demands shouting the odds. Rather understand that as a professional you have the right to ask for more. If you're worth your salt then you have a good chance.

Bottom line is: You don't ask, you don't get.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International