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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: How hard is it for public school in GEPIK to replace NT? |
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I'm wondering how hard it would be for a public school to replace a native teacher once they leave. Is there a wait list and schools who have gotten a native teacher are placed at the bottom?
I'm wondering because first off, schools seem very determined to get their NT to renew their contract. Being very forceful or pushy about it at times.
Secondly, does it look bad to a public school if their Native Teacher goes to a different school? With the demand for Native Teachers, and the actual amount of us available, it would seem like we are very precious commodities to the public schools. Can anyone offer any insights? |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I would presume that all the funding they get is taken away and the new staffroom coffee maker can't be bought anymore. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: How hard is it for public school in GEPIK to replace NT? |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
I'm wondering how hard it would be for a public school to replace a native teacher once they leave. Is there a wait list and schools who have gotten a native teacher are placed at the bottom?
I'm wondering because first off, schools seem very determined to get their NT to renew their contract. Being very forceful or pushy about it at times.
Secondly, does it look bad to a public school if their Native Teacher goes to a different school? With the demand for Native Teachers, and the actual amount of us available, it would seem like we are very precious commodities to the public schools. Can anyone offer any insights? |
In my rural school district it's quite a pain in the arse for schools, from what I gather, and many of them have to scrape from the bottom of the barrel to get anyone. My VP seems very happy that his school has had no change-over with their FT, and thinks it looks good for the school to have me ready to start my third year. Last summer in my district there was a very high turnover rate of FTs (66%) and it most definitely did not look good for the district. Apparently it even made the local education news on a TV channel.
On the whole it seems very hit-and-miss re: whether schools get fTs with any experience or professionalism, and how long it takes. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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I have made the point before with my CT that she should be extremely happy that she has a teacher with experience, who is married, doesn't drink or smoke and overall leads a rather sedate/dull life.
I understand the not drinking confuses the poor buggers at the staff dinners but they should be happy I ain't out womanizing and sleeping in the street of this small town.
Time to start on the I'm irreplaceable propoganda. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: No list... |
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| Most schools have no list of people waiting for a call...If an instructor leaves they are often left in the lurch having to figure out what to do, and in many cases they become more turned off by foreign instructors coming to their school...There are circumstances where a contract is ended for medical reasons beyond their control and in those situations the schools are much more understanding, but once the money is received from the MOE they must spend it on an instructor, so they will be forced to hire the replacement at the same level of pay the original instructor was at, unless they petition to the MOE for more funding... |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| mrsquirrel wrote: |
I have made the point before with my CT that she should be extremely happy that she has a teacher with experience, who is married, doesn't drink or smoke and overall leads a rather sedate/dull life.
Time to start on the I'm irreplaceable propoganda. |
In a public school, we're just paperwork, and I feel like I'm taken for granted here. I'm the first NS they've had and I came in and took on the role with no difficulties, living or working. I kind of wish I pretended to struggle at first just to make a point of it. They'll probably need to get burned once or twice before they either smarten up or say bugger it. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
In a public school, we're just paperwork, and I feel like I'm taken for granted here. I'm the first NS they've had and I came in and took on the role with no difficulties, living or working. They'll probably need to get burned once or twice before they either smarten up or say bugger it. |
I feel that way too. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: Too Bad... |
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| Since being at my school (three years now) they have given me the opportunity to write three curriculum textbooks along with a host of other educational materials...I have the opportunity to use my free time at school for professional development and trying to improve the program goals...I try to work with the faculty closely to ensure we are going in the right direction...There are some things I am out of the loop on, but for the most part it is really fun to have such a proactive group of people to work with... |
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Been There, Taught That

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| So, since I have 21 months experience, I can feel free to let a recruiter know I want a public school and to say exactly what I will and won't accept? Of course, I'll do that anyway, but, you know. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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I really need to write down all the things that irk me about my school and bring them up at contract renewal meeting.
Be like "Hey, I'd love to renew with you guys buuuuuuuut......(list off item after item). I'd given it some thought and no thanks, I'll be going to a different school. Good day!" |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
I really need to write down all the things that irk me about my school and bring them up at contract renewal meeting.
Be like "Hey, I'd love to renew with you guys buuuuuuuut......(list off item after item). I'd given it some thought and no thanks, I'll be going to a different school. Good day!" |
Choose your battles carefully. Choose one or two things that piss you off the most in a professional capacity and one or two in a personal capacity (like if there are any problems with your accomodations or scheduling of holidays) and stick to them. Korean schools tend not to do well with wish lists, especially when the young Korean teachers they have on one-year contracts usually put up with far more crap than we would without complaining. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Been There, Taught That wrote: |
| So, since I have 21 months experience, I can feel free to let a recruiter know I want a public school and to say exactly what I will and won't accept? Of course, I'll do that anyway, but, you know. |
No. You will get the standard contract. If you don't accept it, they will find someone else who will, or do without.
After one year at your school though, if you have "proved your worth" that INDIVIDUAL school can be much more accomodating. But if right off the bat you come across as demanding and greedy, they are likely to give you a pass. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| My school is very remote. I am on my third contract with tem. The school wanted me to renew the contract but I've never been made to feel like a was indespensible. As noone speaks English all communication is done in Korean. I have even passed the Korean National Proficiency Test (high level) and still they haven't come accross as that eager to keep hold of me. Far from it; they actually wanted to increase the amount of classes I teach during camp. I feel so annoyed at them that I highly doubt I will renew. Virtually noone at the school is particuarly friendly and I have nothing in common with my colleagues. I might start telling them that I will only speak English to them from now one (this would resut in no conversation taking place as they can't speak English even at a basic level). Frankly, the fact that we can have a pretty fluent conversation in Korean has emboldened them to be more pissy with me. It's quite depressing. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
I really need to write down all the things that irk me about my school and bring them up at contract renewal meeting.
Be like "Hey, I'd love to renew with you guys buuuuuuuut......(list off item after item). I'd given it some thought and no thanks, I'll be going to a different school. Good day!" |
Do it politely and don't make your list too long. Public school principals are happier to save face rather than keep a foreign teacher who dictated to him the terms of the renewal. |
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Morton
Joined: 06 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Don't be a wimp. Go in and ask for the things you want. If they don't give you what you want then go elsewhere.
I'm the first NT my school has ever had. This means the way i act will set a precedent for any teachers who follow me. Approach it as you would a job back home. If you're not happy with what is offered then keep looking.
Please don't misinterpret this as advising you to go in with a list of demands shouting the odds. Rather understand that as a professional you have the right to ask for more. If you're worth your salt then you have a good chance.
Bottom line is: You don't ask, you don't get. |
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