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enns
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: If same-sex marriage, why not polygamy? |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I don't see anything wrong with polygamy, if the people involved are happy with it. Bugger knows I need another wife to help me with the kids! But if my husband had another wife like me, he'd be a burnt out shell in a matter of weeks.  |
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Paji eh Wong

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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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It is a fair question. I don't have an answer for it. I do have a gripe about the article.
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Same-sex marriage opens up the possibility of polygamy because it detaches marriage from the biological reality of the basic procreative relationship between one man and one woman and that means there is no longer any inherent reason to limit it to two people whether of the same or opposite sex. Once that biological reality is removed as the central, essential feature and �limiting device,� marriage can become whatever we choose to define it as. |
The "biological reality" is that man is a polygamous animal. The majority of cultures in the world are polygamous. Powerful, high status men have many women. Low status men have one or less. In our case, monogamy is the social construct. Matt Ridley has a good discussion of this in The Red Queen.
I've come around on this issue a little, vis a vie the social usefulness of monogamy. Consider this post a vote for gay marriage and against polygamy. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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One does not need to be married to do the biological baby having thing. One does not need to do the biological baby having thing if one is married. (Look at numerous married Republicans without children who claim marriage is for procreation.)
This tired bullshit argument needs to be put to sleep. Unless you want to forcibly divorce all couples who are married for five years without children. Then the argument can stand. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Not far from the deep end.
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Morals and religion aside, polygamy can have some serious natural consequences. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Wonder where those people are who argued that legalizing gay marriage wouldn't open the door to this kind of thing? |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I think men might like the idea of it initially, but when they really consider it, and recognise that only a minority of men would benefit, while a majority of men would be disadvantaged, they're probably going to oppose it. It's hard to see it being legalised. |
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enns
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Alias

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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Polygamy has been proven to be harmful. Same-Sex marriage has not. |
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pkang0202

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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Its not broken so why fix it? |
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Adventurer

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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Big_Bird wrote: |
Yes, I don't see anything wrong with polygamy, if the people involved are happy with it. Bugger knows I need another wife to help me with the kids! But if my husband had another wife like me, he'd be a burnt out shell in a matter of weeks.  |
What about a woman who wants two husbands, then? I think that has happened in the past. I am not an advocate of polygamy. I don't think allowing gay unions can be compared with the idea of allowing polygamy.
Polygamy was something down in the ancient past out of necessity. At least, that's where it came from. Men died in combat fighting other Semitic tribes. What were the women to do? They also wanted to produce more sons. So it was not simply some religious sanction for it that existed in the past. It was part of ensuring the tribe was stable and survived. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
Big_Bird wrote: |
Yes, I don't see anything wrong with polygamy, if the people involved are happy with it. Bugger knows I need another wife to help me with the kids! But if my husband had another wife like me, he'd be a burnt out shell in a matter of weeks.  |
What about a woman who wants two husbands, then? I think that has happened in the past. I am not an advocate of polygamy. I don't think allowing gay unions can be compared with the idea of allowing polygamy.
Polygamy was something down in the ancient past out of necessity. At least, that's where it came from. Men died in combat fighting other Semitic tribes. What were the women to do? They also wanted to produce more sons. So it was not simply some religious sanction for it that existed in the past. It was part of ensuring the tribe was stable and survived. |
Nothing wrong with having 2 husbands either, as far as I can see. In fact, it might work quite nicely.
I did read abouy a society in Nepal were women had about 4 husbands. But the women complained it was a lot of work... |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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The Bobster

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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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There's one big problem no one has mentioned, but if were overcome, the idea would work fine. One word : jealousy.
Polygamy has generally worked in western societies only in the framework of women being second-class creatures or even chattel. I'm sure jealousies and rivalries exists among the various wives in a harem, but all the women involved are constrained by their inferior social position, and usually there is a hierarchy among wives, even in the Mormon model ...
I've heard and read that in some isolated instances on communal communities, true polyamory is sometimes acheived, if only temporarily - for instance a household with 2 or 3 mean and 2or 3 women all raising children together. The social advantages are obvious : orphans would be virtually unheard of, and if one of the 5 or 6 parents needs to travel for an extended period as a career move, there are plenty left behind to raise the brood, while the absent one continues to contribute financially.
Fundamentalists who claim the Bible mandates one man and one woman in a household make me laugh, though. They need to read the Old Testament one more time, I think ...
Not sure I could make it work in a group-spouse household, actually. I'm a little selfish, ya know. |
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yushin
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:02 am Post subject: |
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why not? because it's bloody expensive! not to mention exhausting! I mean realistically how may women can you service on a regular basis? |
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