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bucheon bum
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it would be a hoot if the Americans actually caught OBL and put him on trial in the states, in a regular courtroom. |
Yeah, that would be pretty comical. I'd love to see that one. |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: OBL |
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There are 160,000 google hits for 'Sadaam' & 6,230,000 for 'Saddam'. I'll use Saddam in future. And 'they' is the US authorities.
To those who would contradict and state that the killing of Osama would only make him a martyr, this article nicely sums up my views:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mary_mac_070912_osama_bin_laden_says.htm
Normally, I would oppose capital punishment, but would be prepared to make an exception for OBL.
An interesting critique on that article here:
Mac McKinney
Will the Real Corpse Please Stand Up
"Your rhetoric is all fine and dandy, Mary, except for one glaring problem. You have misdirected your target. You should be saying the actor playing Osama bin Laden is a coward, because that is not bin Laden in the newest tapes. Oh, but he dyed his beard or put on a false one, propagandists are saying. BS I say. The American media is so far down the rabbit hole that they will believe anything the government shovels their way.
Go to http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_newfake.html if you want some exposition on this. The website superimposes the newest face on the original face of bin Laden, and guess what? They don't match. Bin Laden has likely been dead since Nov 2001. Look at this article from Fox news of all places:
Report: Bin Laden Already Dead (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html )
Wednesday, December 26, 2001
Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.
"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.
Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.
About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."
The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident."
Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said "no." Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of "pagans" against Islam. Bin Laden, he said, held the view that the sacrifice of a few hundred people in Afghanistan was nothing, as those who laid their lives in creating an atmosphere of resistance will be adequately rewarded by Almighty Allah.
When asked where bin Laden was buried, the source said, "I am sure that like other places in Tora Bora, that particular place too must have vanished."
You can also go to http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/binladen_9-11_index.html to read an extensive dosier about the bin Laden phenomena, and http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html to read more about the "Dead" bin Laden.
Make up your mind after you do some hard research. Please don't just funnel archetypal myths to everyone." |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
| There are 160,000 google hits for 'Sadaam' & 6,230,000 for 'Saddam'. I'll use Saddam in future. And 'they' is the US authorities. |
First, if 160,000 people jumped off a cliff, would you follow them into the abyss...?
Second, my understanding is that Iraqi and not American authorities executed Saddam -- and it was definitely Iraqi and not American authorities who executed him the particular way that they choose to do it.
You, like so many others here, are a bit too eager to pin each and every single act in world affairs on the American government. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: OBL |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
There are 160,000 google hits for 'Sadaam' & 6,230,000 for 'Saddam'. I'll use Saddam in future. And 'they' is the US authorities.
To those who would contradict and state that the killing of Osama would only make him a martyr, this article nicely sums up my views:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mary_mac_070912_osama_bin_laden_says.htm
Normally, I would oppose capital punishment, but would be prepared to make an exception for OBL.
An interesting critique on that article here:
Mac McKinney
Will the Real Corpse Please Stand Up
"Your rhetoric is all fine and dandy, Mary, except for one glaring problem. You have misdirected your target. You should be saying the actor playing Osama bin Laden is a coward, because that is not bin Laden in the newest tapes. Oh, but he dyed his beard or put on a false one, propagandists are saying. BS I say. The American media is so far down the rabbit hole that they will believe anything the government shovels their way.
Go to http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_newfake.html if you want some exposition on this. The website superimposes the newest face on the original face of bin Laden, and guess what? They don't match. Bin Laden has likely been dead since Nov 2001. Look at this article from Fox news of all places:
Report: Bin Laden Already Dead (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html )
Wednesday, December 26, 2001
Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.
"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.
Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.
About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."
The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident."
Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said "no." Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of "pagans" against Islam. Bin Laden, he said, held the view that the sacrifice of a few hundred people in Afghanistan was nothing, as those who laid their lives in creating an atmosphere of resistance will be adequately rewarded by Almighty Allah.
When asked where bin Laden was buried, the source said, "I am sure that like other places in Tora Bora, that particular place too must have vanished."
You can also go to http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/binladen_9-11_index.html to read an extensive dosier about the bin Laden phenomena, and http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html to read more about the "Dead" bin Laden.
Make up your mind after you do some hard research. Please don't just funnel archetypal myths to everyone." |
You think that whatreallyhappened a 9-11 conspiracy site run by a holocaust denier is a good source?  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it would be a hoot if the Americans actually caught OBL and put him on trial in the states, in a regular courtroom. |
I agree. He wouldn't get off.
But if he goes to Federal Court can he get the Death Penalty? I think he can... |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Second, my understanding is that Iraqi and not American authorities executed Saddam -- and it was definitely Iraqi and not American authorities who executed him the particular way that they choose to do it. |
Yeh right! If you think that the Iraqis gave Saddam a trial that wasn't at all meddled with by Bush you're dumber than we thought. If anything it was a done deal. He was too dangerous alive or to be given a 'proper' tria. Then we might have found something out about the US and their funding, support, the fact he was on the CIA payroll and other uncomfortable facts that would have rained on the US's parade. If you think politics is that shallow Gopher, I suggest you stop watching CNN, pick up a politics book and read a little. |
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Back to the OP.
If he is still alive, which I doubt it. It's amazingly handy to still be able to show him though, just to keep the American people panic stricken and continue on the US's holy crusade in the Middle East.
I would like for him to tried by the Hague. Then he'll get a fair trial. In which we find out the US supported him, have funded other Al Qaeda groups, 9/11 was allowed to happen by the US government. Completely blowing to pieces the US 'freedom fighter' image, that by definition is what Al Qaeda are. Then when he's acquitted he can retire to a small Gite in France where he grows his own vegetables and listen to stevie wonder in the evenings. Sleeping under his american flag duvet he was given by Bush for christmas.
Nice to hear the usual bile being spewed by the Neo-cons on this thread. Just keep nodding your head when your government tells you what to do. |
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gdimension

Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Location: Jeju
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| He was too dangerous alive or to be given a 'proper' tria. Then we might have found something out about the US and their funding, support, the fact he was on the CIA payroll and other uncomfortable facts that would have rained on the US's parade. |
If we didn't find out about these "uncomfortable facts" because he wasn't given a proper trial, how did you find out about them?
Twilight zone. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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