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| World Top 500 Universities: where's yours? |
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SPINOZA
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| That is a very strange ranking system. |
Did you read the methodology and FAQ? |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yep! Still doesn't make any sense.
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SPINOZA
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Why not? |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Spinoza.
I do not respond to interrogations. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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403-510!
Ironically, it's tied with the school I work at here in Korea.
But in the important ranking - the Playboy Party School poll - we're Number 1!
Go WVU! |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: |
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My American Uviseristy, BYU, has been ranked the driest Uni in the US for 9 of the past 10 years.
It is usually ranked 16 or 17 as a US academic school - it have has everything but a medical school.
Definately not a party place. |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| It is usually ranked 16 or 17 as a US academic school - it have has everything but a medical school.. |
Actually, this year's U.S. News rankings have BYU at #79.
Definitely not a party school, though  |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| The best dollar value rating is about what I said. |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| The best dollar value rating is about what I said. |
That's actually not at all what you said, you said (in typical garbled fashion):
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My American Uviseristy, BYU, has been ranked the driest Uni in the US for 9 of the past 10 years.
It is usually ranked 16 or 17 as a US academic school - it have has everything but a medical school.
Definately not a party place. |
I couldn't find the ranking you refer to ("dollar value rating"), although I did find references to it. Must not be on the web or in my school's document library.
Interestingly, in the 2008 US News "Where the Money Is: Schools that award the most (and least) need-based financial aid," BYU is near the bottom (227th of 231 schools surveyed):
Avg. amountof aid package: $4,067
% of students receiving need-based aid: 37%
Avg. need-based grant: $2,364
Avg. need-based loan: $1,703
Avg. % of need met: 31%
Avg. merit award: $2,410
% of students receiving merit awards: 38%
Now, BYU does well in average debt: 17th: 30% of grads in debt, $13,714 average debt (just ahead of the University of Utah). Princeton is number one in this category: 26% of grads in debt, $4,965 average debt -- remarkable since Princeton's tuition is near $40,000 per year. BYU has significantly lower tuition, I believe, but stingier financial aid (the top schools like Princeton and Harvard, for instance, score 100% in "average need met").
These rankings are among national universities only; liberal arts colleges are in a separate category, and Williams College tops the financial aid list.
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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Yea, that looks about right. BYU is a bit unique in that Mormon chruch members get reduced tuition. Liike State universities usaully do for in state student.
BYU also gets zero federal or state finnancial assistance. It refuses to take any on the basis that by doing it that way nobody can have any input into policy.
Party school? The suspended 5 foorball players for being in a bar. |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| Party school? The suspended 5 foorball players for being in a bar. |
Those foorball players are always ruining it for the rest of us. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Definately not a party place. |
Not a spelling place either then?
You've reached [insert your age] and still think there's an 'a' in definitely?
Silly old twerp.  |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Ranking undergraduate programs is ridiculous.
Sure Harvard has the top notch professors who are the world leaders in their fields. How interested are these professors in teaching snot nosed undergrads? Not very. They are too busy publishing and researching. In this era of too many phds and not enough tenured professorships, Id guess that many excellent professors end up at "lesser" schools. You cant really measure the quality of instruction based on the professors awards and publishing.
This poll has some bizarre findings based on my knowledge of American schools, especially west coast schools.
1) My uni didnt make the top 100 in the Americas, yet the other major school from my state did even though it has always been considered the lesser of the two schools in the state( except for a few majors)
2) UC San Fran was high on the list, but this is only a medical school.
3) UCLA and UC Berkely are high on the list. Hard to get into. Yet if you dont like undgrad classes with 3000 students that are televised in a giant hall and you want to graduate in four years instead of six due to overcrowding, then these are not schools for you.
Higher education is what you make of it |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Beej wrote: |
Ranking undergraduate programs is ridiculous.
Sure Harvard has the top notch professors who are the world leaders in their fields. How interested are these professors in teaching snot nosed undergrads? Not very. They are too busy publishing and researching. In this era of too many phds and not enough tenured professorships, Id guess that many excellent professors end up at "lesser" schools. You cant really measure the quality of instruction based on the professors awards and publishing.
This poll has some bizarre findings based on my knowledge of American schools, especially west coast schools.
1) My uni didnt make the top 100 in the Americas, yet the other major school from my state did even though it has always been considered the lesser of the two schools in the state( except for a few majors)
2) UC San Fran was high on the list, but this is only a medical school.
3) UCLA and UC Berkely are high on the list. Hard to get into. Yet if you dont like undgrad classes with 3000 students that are televised in a giant hall and you want to graduate in four years instead of six due to overcrowding, then these are not schools for you.
Higher education is what you make of it |
I agree completely with your comments about undergrad programs at huge universities. That's why the US News liberal arts college list is so useful. No TAs at places like Swarthmore, Amherst, Pomona, and Smith. |
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Hank the Iconoclast
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan
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Got my BA from UNC North Carolina at Chapel Hill and it's number 58 on the list. The rankings are a bit odd since UNC is usually in the list of top five public schools in the US. At least according to US News and other lists I have seen.
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