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Are all the good men are married?
Yes, all the good men are married
16%
 16%  [ 4 ]
No, there are a few good men still left
83%
 83%  [ 20 ]
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Are all the good ones married? Reply with quote

Women often complain that "all the good ones are married. Inspired by http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=100906

Are all the good men married and can what is available be considered either a man or good or both?

Ladies, whats your opinion?
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Are all the good ones married? Reply with quote

jinju wrote:

Are all the good men married and can what is available be considered either a man or good or both?

Ladies, whats your opinion?


Are you kidding? Rolling Eyes

You claimed that being married made you grow up, right? Well from this lady (or maybe you'd claim girl, since I'm not married) you certainly sound like a whining, pouting little boy.

"I'm married!" Stomp! "That must mean I'm grown up!" Pout. "Anyone who disagrees with me must be an unmarried little boy! I have a partner who supports me and nobody else could ever have that without marriage because I couldn't find it until I put a pretty little ring on some girl's finger!" Stomp. "And I was obsessed with sex until I put a ring on my own finger. Only marriage could make me grown up. But THAT makes me a man."

Get over yourself.

Not all good men are married, and as you just proved, not all married males act like men.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that what's indicative of our society is that there is an unspoken backlash against the advances brought on by feminism.

Western women who put off considering marriage in their 20s suddenly find themselves in their 30s and less desired. I reminded my students of this. Many of my female students assume they will consider marriage when they are 30. The problem with that theory is that there is no guarentee you will be in a relationship worthy of marriage at 30, or will be able to find such a relationship soon after. Then, suddenly, they will be 35 and their looks will be going downhill fast. -- serious ajumma-land baby.

Another thing I mention: many men in their 30s are not interested in women in their 30s for a number of reasons, in no particular order:

1. Most guys don't want to have a baby out of the gate. Women these days have pushed the physical envelope right up to that 35 age line where having children becomes more difficult. Most guys I know would rather wait a few years and save money, than have a baby right away.

2. Women in their 30s, despite plastic surgery, are never going to be as sexy/wanted as women in their 20s. Of course there are exceptions, but the hard facts remain that women lose their beauty with age.

3. Many men have a biological desire to be the protector, hunter/gatherer, what have you. By their 30s, women don't need a man to care for them, and this is a turn-off for men.

I'm sure there are others I could think of, given more time.

Given these facts, the "good men" are out looking for what they consider "the good women." To men, the "good women" are the younger ones who are more physically beautiful.

I think this is part of the reason why women feel all of the good men are gone. It's generally women in their 30s who feel this way.
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Natalia



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, it's just women who are ancient by thirty?

Men continue to be studs right into their seventies I suppose.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a universally-known fact that men become more distinguished-looking as they age.

Men who make a fair amount of money (though it's not always needed), and into their 30s or 40s, have a much greater chance of snagging a girl in her 20s.

It doesn't work the other way around -- only in extreme cases like Demi Moore.
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Are all the good ones married? Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
jinju wrote:

Are all the good men married and can what is available be considered either a man or good or both?

Ladies, whats your opinion?

Are you kidding? Rolling Eyes

You claimed that being married made you grow up, right? Well from this lady (or maybe you'd claim girl, since I'm not married) you certainly sound like a whining, pouting little boy.

"I'm married!" Stomp! "That must mean I'm grown up!" Pout. "Anyone who disagrees with me must be an unmarried little boy! I have a partner who supports me and nobody else could ever have that without marriage because I couldn't find it until I put a pretty little ring on some girl's finger!" Stomp. "And I was obsessed with sex until I put a ring on my own finger. Only marriage could make me grown up. But THAT makes me a man."

Get over yourself.

Not all good men are married, and as you just proved, not all married males act like men.

BURN !
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:

2. Women in their 30s, despite plastic surgery, are never going to be as sexy/wanted as women in their 20s. Of course there are exceptions, but the hard facts remain that women lose their beauty with age.

Given these facts, the "good men" are out looking for what they consider "the good women." To men, the "good women" are the younger ones who are more physically beautiful.


Totally. All I want is some young, dumb thing that's completely malleable. That way I can convince her that cooking and sex are all she has to do and I'll provide for her. I guess I can cuddle her when she cries but I'll probably be more worried about how my last save on Halo 3 was with only two clips of ammo left. How am I going to get out of that one? And if she ever gives me any lip, I'll be like, "Hey I'm distinguished looking, you're just ugly. Remember I can always trade you in."

...and that's why I came to Korea.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if that's the type of woman you want.. then go get her!

Luckily, women in their 20s are often smart, have good jobs, and are beautiful too.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Are all the good ones married? Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
jinju wrote:

Are all the good men married and can what is available be considered either a man or good or both?

Ladies, whats your opinion?


Are you kidding? Rolling Eyes

You claimed that being married made you grow up, right? Well from this lady (or maybe you'd claim girl, since I'm not married) you certainly sound like a whining, pouting little boy.

"I'm married!" Stomp! "That must mean I'm grown up!" Pout. "Anyone who disagrees with me must be an unmarried little boy! I have a partner who supports me and nobody else could ever have that without marriage because I couldn't find it until I put a pretty little ring on some girl's finger!" Stomp. "And I was obsessed with sex until I put a ring on my own finger. Only marriage could make me grown up. But THAT makes me a man."

Get over yourself.

Not all good men are married, and as you just proved, not all married males act like men.


Youve done a good job answering the other question I was going to ask: are all the sane women married. Looks like a YES to me.
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Are all the good ones married? Reply with quote

jinju wrote:

Youve done a good job answering the other question I was going to ask: are all the sane women married. Looks like a YES to me.


You do realize that I was only reflecting YOUR behavior, right?

Quotes from you:
It gives you responsibilities which mature you.
[Translation: Someone else has to force responsibility on me in the form of throwing a woman in my house.]

I have a partner in life who supports me
[Translation: Nobody liked me enough to support me and become a partner until I threw an expensive party]

Im better off financially than I could ever be as a single man.
[Translation: I have to give my wife all my money because I don't know how to take care of my money myself.]


This is not something Id be able to do as a sex obsessed boy whose biggest priority in life is screwing any tramp in a bar who will have him.
[Translation: I was not grown enough to control my libido until I had a ring on my finger.]

Sexually frustrated boys who blow half their money on chasing tail...and failing?
[Translation: Now I admit that when I was trying to '[screw] any tramp in a bar' I wasn't even good at it! I had to pay women to be with me, I had to throw money at them. Again, I couldn't find a partner who actually enjoyed my company until I gave her jewelry and promised to quit having sex with other people, and I can't control myself until a woman controls me, so I got married.]


If you consider yourself sane, and a man, then I am so happy to be insane in your opinion.

And if you are taking one single female as the judgement of the entire female population, well, then it looks like this big grown man has no idea how logic works. Oh, poor Jiinju, so stupid he doesn't even understand logic... But it's OK! He's a man. CHEST THUMP!
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Are all the good ones married? Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:

I have a partner in life who supports me
[Translation: Nobody liked me enough to support me and become a partner until I threw an expensive party


Meh. My wife and I dated for about 6 years before we decided we were ready to tie the knot. Sometimes, you want to have the party, not even so much for yourself, but for the look of joy on the faces of your family and friends, some who are getting a bit on and derive great pleasure from it. This is not to mention issues of legality of marriage, especially in terms of last wills and testaments, to ensure that your significant other and children are properly looked after should anything happen to you.

But let me guess ... you strike me as the type who doesn't need to be legally bound to a man to feel validated, right?
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Are all the good ones married? Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
I am so happy to be insane!


Well, whatever floats your boat, toots. I guess admitting is step one, wanting to fix the problem may be a bit more difficult in your case if you are happy with it.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Are all the good ones married? Reply with quote

indytrucks wrote:
Atavistic wrote:

I have a partner in life who supports me
[Translation: Nobody liked me enough to support me and become a partner until I threw an expensive party


Meh. My wife and I dated for about 6 years before we decided we were ready to tie the knot. Sometimes, you want to have the party, not even so much for yourself, but for the look of joy on the faces of your family and friends, some who are getting a bit on and derive great pleasure from it. This is not to mention issues of legality of marriage, especially in terms of last wills and testaments, to ensure that your significant other and children are properly looked after should anything happen to you.

But let me guess ... you strike me as the type who doesn't need to be legally bound to a man to feel validated, right?


Some women deal with failing to get married by convincing themselves that they are happy with the situation. Then when the topic is brought up they explode with rage and a 100 line insane diatribe. deep inside though, they know the truth.
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Are all the good ones married? Reply with quote

IndyTrucks, I was responding to Jinju's screwy logic that unmarried males=boys and only boys and married males=men and only men.

But you are right. I don't need to be bound, legally or not, to a man (or a woman) to feel validated. I don't think that's a bad thing.

Jinju, I'm done arguing with you. If I want to argue with boys, I have a school full of them. And they're still better at logic than you are.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are all the good men married? Nope.

Maybe I don't see the big fuss because I've never made getting married a big issue. Live life the way you want to and you'll find someone who views life the same way you do. As far as I'm concerned, any man who feels that looks make or break a relationship are doing me a favor by making their intentions clear. Who wants to waste time on a guy like that? Not I.

In any event, I'm not in a rush to get married and have kids. On the other hand if I wait and try to have kids, I'm not too concerned. My mom had my sister at 42, so I'll take my chances.
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