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When the scientific consensus is wrong...
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Bramble



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
All I meant to imply with this is that people should try to be a little more open minded. A consensus of opinion doesn't necessarily prove something is true.


The author chose an exceptionally poor example to make that point. You usually seem like a critical thinker, SW, and I'm surprised you'd buy into a piece of garbage like that.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
cbclark4 wrote:
Now when the debate is: Tomato fruit or vegetable?

That's all fun and games.

However when they through in a Carrot the audience gets lost.


A tomato is scientifically a fruit. It is also both a fruit and vegetable. Vegetables are only a cullinary category. Its a cullinary concept only, not a scientific one. Scientifically a tomato has seeds and is therefore a fruit.


That doesn't explain the Carrot.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
jinju wrote:
cbclark4 wrote:
Now when the debate is: Tomato fruit or vegetable?

That's all fun and games.

However when they through in a Carrot the audience gets lost.


A tomato is scientifically a fruit. It is also both a fruit and vegetable. Vegetables are only a cullinary category. Its a cullinary concept only, not a scientific one. Scientifically a tomato has seeds and is therefore a fruit.


That doesn't explain the Carrot.


I'm lost.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Circa. 1970s

The Carrot is used to make a certain Preserve (Jam, Jelly).

It was introduce in France and sold as a Preserve.

The definition of "Preserve" by the French FDA equivilent included the
word fruit, preserves are made from fruit or some such.

In order for this product to continue to be marketed as a preserve a law
maker in France introduced legislation which defined the carrot as a fruit.

The legislation passed and it become law and to this day the carrot is a
fruit in France.

Thusly a reason some may have a cynical view of Concensus and Majority rule and Direct Democracy.

Now I don't have a link or a documented record, I am relying totally on my memory and it was the 70s.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My memory was little off.

I found this:

"In the commercial world, European Union rules define
carrot as a fruit for the purposes of measuring the proportion
of "fruit" contained in carrot jam."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit

My apologies to France.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was before Reagan declared ketchup a vegetable so he could screw over the kids on welfare. God, that man had a heart.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
jinju wrote:
loose_ends wrote:
jinju wrote:
loose_ends wrote:
but i know nothing. i am no expert. who can i trust now?


the voices in your head


are you smarter than me?


which of the multiple yous?


As any high school debater knows, once your opponent resorts to attacking you instead of your arguments, you have won the debate.


If his nonsense seems odd, there's likely a good reason.

JIN-JOO-JU is one of Dave's heroic resident PSY-OPS TROLLS Idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psyops
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sera



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yall remember way back when watermelon was debated as a fruit or veggie? Very Happy
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Bramble



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get back to the topic, here's some info on the author's main source:

Gary Taubes
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