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keane
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 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Alright. Does anyone here argue that the War is helping the US economy?
I mean, I don't see how the Iraq War could do anything but hurt our economy. At the very least, its billions of dollars taken away from investments. |
Note: While *I* know war doesn't build an economy in the long run, it wasn't all that long ago that the dominant belief was that it does. There have been people claiming such on these forums. I'm sure most average Joes see all the spending and think it's true. The most likely to see it this way are the whack job conservatives that back the war and Bush. So I posted it. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Apparently the troops aren't being supported. Though, I'm sure if one of these suicidal dudes saw a yellow ribbon on the back of a H2 he'd prally reconsider. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| newton kabiddles wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| newton kabiddles wrote: |
Unfortunately the main point is that Jews are not Muslims. I'm sorry, but this is the heart of the Arab argument.
Jews do not mind Islam. |
Nor do Muslims necessarily "despise" Jews.
ZIONISM is the problem, duh  |
9-11 WTC happened in Israel every other month for years. It wasn't until the American public got hit on 9-11 that we actually realized what the Israelis had been dealing with for over 20 years. |
Yeah those poor Israelis have never done anything wrong. Their behavior in the West Bank and Gaza hasn't provoked Palestinians one iota. It is merely due to those wacky Muslims who hate Jews. Of course more than a quarter of Palestinians in the West Bank are Christian, but that's really besides the point.
And no, we just have been supporting Israel for the past few decades, but were totally in the dark over what was going on over there. I suppose you mean we can empathize with Israel now.
Well, I would be insulted if I were an Israeli and read that. Israel's experience is a hell of a lot different than 9-11. How many times has the USA been invaded? Twice? Last time being 1941? How many Americans lost loved ones on 9/11? How many Israelis have lost loved ones through acts of terrorism or war? A much higher percentage i'd imagine. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
Yeah those poor Israelis have never done anything wrong. |
That's really an extraordinary statement. As someone who (I didn't) lived through the attacks of xxx, that they invited the attacks because the Israelis were attacking them. I don't think I've ever heard that before and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for the attacks. I would ask Bucheon Bum to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a thought:
Zionism is Nazism by another name 
Shame on the "NEW" - cons.
Embattled State Dept. Official Quits Blackwater Probe Over Brother's Role
By Warren P. Strobel, McClatchy Newspapers
Wed Nov 14, 6:53 PM ET
WASHINGTON � The State Department's embattled inspector general suddenly removed himself Wednesday from investigations into security contractor Blackwater Worldwide, after belatedly acknowledging that his brother sits on a Blackwater advisory board.
The revelation came at a House of Representatives hearing that cited allegations from current and former State Department employees� and the Justice Department � that Inspector General Howard Krongard had impeded investigations into Blackwater and the construction of the $740 million U.S. Embassy complex in Iraq .
The allegations before the Oversight and Government Reform Committee added to the questions about Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's management of the massive U.S. diplomatic presence in Iraq and of the State Department in Washington.
Krongard initially said that he was unaware that his brother, former CIA executive director Alvin "Buzzy" Krongard , had any financial ties with Blackwater. He said he'd asked his brother about "ugly rumors" concerning his relationship with Blackwater and had been assured there was none.
But after Democratic committee members told him that his brother had stayed at a Williamsburg, Va ., hotel where Blackwater's "Worldwide Advisory Board" was meeting this week, Krongard used a break in the hearing to call his brother.
He said that Buzzy Krongard confirmed that he'd been at the meeting.
"I hereby recuse myself from any matters having to do with Blackwater," Howard Krongard announced.
Blackwater, which protects U.S. diplomats in Iraq , is under investigation for a series of lethal shootings of Iraqi civilians.
The revelation dismayed even Krongard's Republican defenders on the committee, who'd attempted to portray the probe by chairman Rep. Henry Waxman , D-Calif., as partisan score-settling.
Your brother "has done you tremendous damage," said Rep. Christopher Shays , R-Conn. "I would be one pretty unhappy guy."
The advisory board role pays a $3,500 honorarium per meeting, according to Blackwater correspondence released by the committee.
It isn't known whether Buzzy Krongard accepted the honorarium.
He didn't return a phone call seeking comment.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20071114/wl_mcclatchy/
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Igotthisguitar is a Nazi for real. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| newton kabiddles wrote: |
9-11 WTC happened in Israel every other month for years.
It wasn't until the American public got hit on 9-11 that we actually realized what the Israelis had been dealing with for over 20 years. |
Yes, i'm sure a few here have heard this hugely exaggerated assertion.
So it that why they mapped out & executed the murderous attacks?
So AmeriKa might be drawn more squarely into serving Israel's "interests" in the Middle East?
Could explain 9/11's dancing Israelis |
http://www.911myths.com/html/israeli_art_student_spies.html |
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deadman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Here's a thought:
Zionism is Nazism by another name
Shame on the "NEW" - cons.
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Apparently Hitler thought "their tribe" was a danger to "his tribe", so they should be exterminated.
After all, any evil can be excused if you are looking after the interests of your own tribe.
Not so different after all. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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deadman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| http://www.fallacyfiles.org/undismid.html |
Zionism is Nazism is a fallacy, I agree.
Zionism [has things in common with/is similar to/is like] nazism avoids committing that fallacy.
IMO they are similar in that both excuse evil committed while looking after the interests of their own tribe, and both are a doctrine of racial supremacy. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| deadman wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| http://www.fallacyfiles.org/undismid.html |
Zionism is Nazism is a fallacy, I agree.
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| Zionism [has things in common with/is similar to/is like] nazism avoids committing that fallacy. |
IMO they are similar in that both excuse evil committed while looking after the interests of their own tribe, and both are a doctrine of racial supremacy. |
It isn't . It is the idea that Jews need their own state for protection. It is not ought to conquer the world and wipe out other races.
It is quite understandable in fact.
Zionism in my opinion is not a good idea but it isn't an evil idea.
Nazism is much more comparable with what Israel's enemies practice.
They ought be compared to the Nazis before Israel. |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| deadman wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| http://www.fallacyfiles.org/undismid.html |
Zionism is Nazism is a fallacy, I agree.
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| Zionism [has things in common with/is similar to/is like] nazism avoids committing that fallacy. |
IMO they are similar in that both excuse evil committed while looking after the interests of their own tribe, and both are a doctrine of racial supremacy. |
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| It isn't . It is the idea that Jews need their own state for protection. |
Protection from who - Hitler? The plans for Israel are older than that. Protection is just a convenient excuse.
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| It is not ought to conquer the world and wipe out other races. |
They seem to be trying their hardest to achieve these two things right now.
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| It is quite understandable in fact. |
Selfish motivations are not difficult to understand.
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Zionism in my opinion is not a good idea but it isn't an evil idea.
Nazism is much more comparable with what Israel's enemies practice. |
Invaded or dominated by a superior power, eithnically cleansed, massacred, and forced to revert to unorthodox tactics in self defence? That doesn't sound like the Nazis to me.
Israel is like germany pre 1939. Finaced by International bankers, armed by America, appeased by western governments, and concentrating 100% on building up the biggest military they possibly can!
Zionists are like Nazis with nuclear weapons preparing for their final solution! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: |
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="deadman"]
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| deadman wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| http://www.fallacyfiles.org/undismid.html |
Zionism is Nazism is a fallacy, I agree.
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| Zionism [has things in common with/is similar to/is like] nazism avoids committing that fallacy. |
IMO they are similar in that both excuse evil committed while looking after the interests of their own tribe, and both are a doctrine of racial supremacy. |
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| It isn't . It is the idea that Jews need their own state for protection. |
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| Protection from who - Hitler? The plans for Israel are older than that. Protection is just a convenient excuse. |
Jews were persecuted before Hitler.
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| It is not ought to conquer the world and wipe out other races. |
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| They seem to be trying their hardest to achieve these two things right now |
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Really ? How so?
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| Selfish motivations are not difficult to understand. |
Selfish or survival .
Or just to avoid persecution.
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Zionism in my opinion is not a good idea but it isn't an evil idea.
Nazism is much more comparable with what Israel's enemies practice. |
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Invaded or dominated by a superior power, eithnically cleansed, massacred, and forced to revert to unorthodox tactics in self defence? That doesn't sound like the Nazis to me. |
Israel enemies tried ethnic cleansing in 1948 , in fact they even helped the Nazis.
That does not sound like the Nazis to me. But you sound like someone who has it in for jews to me.
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Israel is like germany pre 1939. Finaced by International bankers, armed by America, appeased by western governments, and concentrating 100% on building up the biggest military they possibly can! |
Israels enemies are fascists for real. Israel is really under threat.
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| Zionists are like Nazis with nuclear weapons preparing for their final solution! |
If Israel was like the Nazis then why haven't they killed off eveyone in the mideast with their nuclear weapons?
You are like the Nazis for real. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
If Israel was like the Nazis then why haven't they killed off eveyone in the mideast with their nuclear weapons?
You are like the Nazis for real. |
Yo NEW-"con", here's a thought:
Destroying the world in one great nuclear cataclysm might be just a little obvious
Better if you can advance your plans for complete & utter worldy control & domination more incrementally.
Nazism & Zionism are two sides of the same coin.
Winners of wars can never be criminals!  |
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