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rayabk



Joined: 02 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:49 am    Post subject: Congratulations Me Reply with quote

After been here for nearly 2 weeks I have finally secured a job.

However hmmmm?

It is a hagwon and they want me to start on Monday. The director assures me that I do not have to go to Japan on the visa run for a month or so as they need to get all the docs together including the visa issue number. Is this correct.
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He wants you to work illegally. It is illegal for you to work until you have the Visa in your passport.


And for a month? Sounds like he wants to give you a trial run first...and then if you don't work out just fire you and he doesn't have to pay you a dime.

Tell him no go.
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is illegal but if you feel secure that they are being truthful with you, you could ask for them to pay you weekly until you're legit.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Re: Congratulations Me Reply with quote

rayabk wrote:
The director assures me that I do not have to go to Japan on the visa run for a month or so as they need to get all the docs together including the visa issue number. Is this correct.


If immigration came to your place and found you working on a tourist visa, I'm pretty sure you'd be in deep trouble. I don't think that there is a magic "one-month-or-so" window where you can legally work on a tourist visa.

The other thing to consider is that, if current rumors turn out to be true, you may have to go a little further than Japan for your visa.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:15 am    Post subject: Re: Congratulations Me Reply with quote

rayabk wrote:
It is a hagwon and they want me to start on Monday. The director assures me that I do not have to go to Japan on the visa run for a month or so as they need to get all the docs together including the visa issue number. Is this correct.


Nope. Illegal.

If your new boss objects just ask him to come down to immigration with you to ask.
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying you should trust the director, but my last two jobs I worked for a month and two weeks, respectively, on a tourist visa before all the paperwork went thru. It's common but leaves you open to getting burnt more easily.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Masta_Don wrote:
I'm not saying you should trust the director, but my last two jobs I worked for a month and two weeks, respectively, on a tourist visa before all the paperwork went thru. It's common but leaves you open to getting burnt more easily.


I'm not saying it isn't common.

I'm just saying it's illegal.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People have been doing it for years, usually with no problem, but those new regulations go into effect in mid-December. No one can say with any confidence what situation that puts the OP in.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wouldn't do it.

u have to ask yourself, if my director is so ready to have me work illegally for a month and put my head on the chopping block if immi does any inspections (like they did for degrees a while ago), what makes me think that he won't do further illegal things that may fu<k me over later?

there are enough jobs here, u don't need to resort to a job that seems dodgy
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: Congratulations Me Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
rayabk wrote:
It is a hagwon and they want me to start on Monday. The director assures me that I do not have to go to Japan on the visa run for a month or so as they need to get all the docs together including the visa issue number. Is this correct.


Nope. Illegal.

If your new boss objects just ask him to come down to immigration with you to ask.



Laughing

When I read this I cannot help but wonder if the _beaver is tompatz's sock.
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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not telling you whether or not to do it. I'm just going to point out another way your boss could screw you. If you get the visa a month in, that means when you're done your year technically according to the contract and labour, you've only done 11 months. Opens you up to non-payment of severance or airfare. No papertrail to help you.

After 2 years here, I've learned to check, double-check, cluster-check and then take pictures of everything. Do you like gambling?
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful.

Get paid weekly. Don't listen to, "Don't you trust me?"

Also, like others have been saying, new regulations might be implemented soon. Very soon. Possibly before he intends to send you on a visa run. That could create a big problem.

Anyway, there's no valid reason for him not sending you on a visa run now, so I'd stick with that.

Tell him he'd better send you now. Now or later, it's the same thing. You'll still have to miss at least one or two days of teaching at one point. This hanging on until later doesn't make sense when you think about it. Mommy and daddy should understand that Mr. Waegook needs to go out of the country and back in order for him to be legit and able to teach the little ones for a whole year. I think owners tend to blow it all out of proportion, however I guess the parents can get a little picky. I don't think missing a couple of days of classes has much of an effect on anything. Something you'll have to do anyway.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: Congratulations Me Reply with quote

crusher_of_heads wrote:
the_beaver wrote:
rayabk wrote:
It is a hagwon and they want me to start on Monday. The director assures me that I do not have to go to Japan on the visa run for a month or so as they need to get all the docs together including the visa issue number. Is this correct.


Nope. Illegal.

If your new boss objects just ask him to come down to immigration with you to ask.


Laughing

When I read this I cannot help but wonder if the _beaver is tompatz's sock.


Nope. I don't need a sock to bash a hakwon who is requesting someone to do something illegal.

I'll do it openly.

He just beat me to it.

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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: Congratulations Me Reply with quote

crusher_of_heads wrote:
the_beaver wrote:
rayabk wrote:
It is a hagwon and they want me to start on Monday. The director assures me that I do not have to go to Japan on the visa run for a month or so as they need to get all the docs together including the visa issue number. Is this correct.


Nope. Illegal.

If your new boss objects just ask him to come down to immigration with you to ask.



Laughing

When I read this I cannot help but wonder if the _beaver is tompatz's sock.


Impossible. I know the beav... He's been known to wear women's panties, but not socks.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't do it.

Get a good job.

Get your visa before you begin working.

Do it before Dec 15th when the new rules (might) kick in.
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