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My anti-US foreign policy thread (rant)
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but when the US doesn't get involved people complain just as much


That's my benchmark for anti-Americanism. If the US is wrong when it does it or wrong when it doesn't, the conversation isn't really about US policy but about the poster's world view. The particular policy or misdeed is just an excuse for the poster to whine yet again.
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dmbfan



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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represent Stalin and that dude was a monster who butchered millions of people.




.......around 40 million people.



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dmbfan



Joined: 09 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for the OP, it is understandable to have these feelings but when the US doesn't get involved people complain just as much.



........good point.


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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513, the OP has very valid points in his writing.


How come when posters get on here writing intellegent and informative threads, they get trolled out or flamed to a crisp?


I didn't care about his avatar as that is each members freedom of expression or trademark, but I saw it as an indirect way of expressing that he feels his country system is dysfunctional and going to waste. It's too bad and a shame that it really is going downhill since we would also like a place and a way to retire like the way the boomers have now. I would hate to see it where the Chinese and Indians own it all and run it and I am squeezed out of the American system in the future which it already has turned in that direction.
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stevie rotten



Joined: 31 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few of the more well known examples of America's brand of democracy abroad. all worth reading about.

General Suharto- Indonesia
Somoza family- Nicaragua
Augusto Pinochet- Chile
Nicolae Ceausescu- Romania
Emanuel Constant- Haiti. for anyone not familiar this is a convicted war criminal currently dodging sentencing in Queens NY. numerous requests for his extradition have been made (one somewhat ironically right after gwb's speech about all countries harboring terrorists would be treated as terrorists) but no attempt has been made to get him to leave comfortable life in the US.

you'd have a hard time finding any popular consensus that would express anger in the US not getting involved in foreign affairs in any of these (or any other country the US has decided to intervene in) countries. if you can find it please share.

for now the US stands as the only state on record which has both been condemned by the World Court for international terrorism (for it's role in the contra war in Nicaragua) and has vetoed a Security Council resolution calling on states to observe international law (shortly after it had declared itself to be above the jurisdiction of the World Court).


this is just barely scratching the surface. worth looking into for yourselves though.
and i think the avatar is cool.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kids who can't write their own names? That's just fear mongering. Things aren't THAT bad.
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PGF



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
lastat06513, the OP has very valid points in his writing.


How come when posters get on here writing intellegent and informative threads, they get trolled out or flamed to a crisp?


I didn't care about his avatar as that is each members freedom of expression or trademark, but I saw it as an indirect way of expressing that he feels his country system is dysfunctional and going to waste. It's too bad and a shame that it really is going downhill since we would also like a place and a way to retire like the way the boomers have now. I would hate to see it where the Chinese and Indians own it all and run it and I am squeezed out of the American system in the future which it already has turned in that direction.


to the op and you; a more intelligent avatar would be an inverted US flag which is a sign of HIS nation in distress.

It didn't take me 6 years of living abroad to realize my country was in trouble. It was the first gulf war and (before that) studying US history in HS and university that led me to believe that my country's global policy was not quite right.

OP, glad you acknowledge the problems with our nation's policies in the world. But, a spinning hammer and sickle is juvenile, least. You should expect to be flamed. I'm not saying I'm better than you,; I had the same avatar back in 1993 on a BBS.

Welcome to the world of enlightened US citizens.
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Jimskins



Joined: 07 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's wrong with meddling in the affairs of other countries? Us Brits did it in India, Africa, and the Middle East and look, everythings fine and dandy.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the irony of everything American....
The economy is on the verge of recession (Again), the stock market on a downward spiral, the jobmarket in much of the US (south, northeast at least) is stagnant and the housing bubble has burst...big time!
The US is in a political and military quagmire in both Iraq and Afghanistan (with Iraq being so unpopular that people voted in an almost all-democrat congress that WAS meant to get the troops out of Iraq, which has been vetoed countless times by the administration), they continually veto a bill that would provide healthcare to millions of low-income children (something that is badly needed in my hometown, especially in this winter season).....

Now, watch carefully......The US tries not to portray the shortcomings it has to the world (whcich only come out on channels like BBC and CNN) and instead tries to bully much of the world to follow it.

Yes, the French and British did the same in the late-19th Century and early 20th Century (The global colonial era).....but look at where it led them in the post-WWII age? Kowtowing to the American "big brother", especially since they were enticed to help America after they were given aid under the assistance of the Marshal Plan (don't be fooled, post-war Britain and France WERE also recipients of the aid too, not just central and southern Europe)

GWB made that abundantly clear in this quote; "If you are not with us, you are AGAINST us".......That is cowboy politics (which is what you'd expect from corn bread-fed southerner wannabe).

How many other countries do you see that have as much problems with guns and crime as the US does?

And what bothers me alittle is that some Americans overseas TRY to protray America as this big beautiful country that is peaceful and prosperous and try their best to shoot down any type of criticism people might have about it.
I find it ignorant to try to turn a blind eye to a problem that is staring you right in the face.
I used to be one of those types of people that wanted to show people that the US is not a big pile of sh^t......but after spending significant time away from the US, seeing how it protrays itself abroad and the situation back in the US, I couldn't help but change some of my views.

Do I think like this ALL the time? No
Again, this was only intended to be a rant.

As for my avitar.....I only chose it because it looked cool spinning around and because the system is now defunct, it is only seen as a pop-culture sign.. Very Happy

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Drink and be merry
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