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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| Wrap this thread up, because its done. |
Agreed.
But what are your issues with FDR? I understand that FDR, Eisenhower, and perhaps Clinton remain the twentieth century's most respected presidents -- among professional historians, at least. They left office with strong approval ratings, for one thing. (JFK did not serve long enough to include or exclude him.) |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Wrap this thread up, because its done. |
Agreed.
But what are your issues with FDR? I understand that FDR, Eisenhower, and perhaps Clinton remain the twentieth century's most respected presidents -- among professional historians, at least. They left office with strong approval ratings, for one thing. (JFK did not serve long enough to include or exclude him.) |
I love Eisenhower and Clinton both.
FDR would not be so beloved had his court-packing scheme succeeded. As it is, economists are starting to come around on Roosevelt and understand he prolonged the Depression. To be fair, the Hawley-Smoot tariff was a Congressional initiative. But FDR, we are told, used to calculate the price of the gold-to-dollar index based on lucky numbers.
FDR did wonderful in the War, and if not for the War, he would have gone down in history as a horrible President. Which he was, but for the War. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Packing the Supreme Court certainly represents FDR's worst transgression against the Constitution, no doubt. The world was rather unstable after the First World War and especially post-1929 -- as British financial leadership collapsed and the Depression washed all over the world like a tsunami, doing its damage.
I am sure you already know these things. FDR's faults and shortcomings notwithstanding, I credit him for not leading us down a fascist path (and here I speak of real fascists and other, less-dangerous nationalist-populists, from Franco to Peron, worldwide).
Things could have been far worse than a president moving to pack the Court.
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| FDR did wonderful in the War, and if not for the War, he would have gone down in history as a horrible President. Which he was, but for the War. |
LBJ seems to have suffered the reverse of this. But for Vietnam, he would likely have been on that list. In his own sexually-colored way of describing it, he could not attend to the lady that was the Great Society because that bitch of a war kept insisting... |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Wrap this thread up, because its done. |
Agreed.
But what are your issues with FDR? I understand that FDR, Eisenhower, and perhaps Clinton remain the twentieth century's most respected presidents -- among professional historians, at least. They left office with strong approval ratings, for one thing. (JFK did not serve long enough to include or exclude him.) |
I love Eisenhower and Clinton both. |
At the risk of sounding like a weird comparison, one of the reasons I like both Clinton and Ron Paul is that they're both intelligent enough to not have to bother speaking from a script. With both of them you're always guaranteed to hear something new or unexpected in an interview. With most others you've pretty much heard it all if you hear them talk for a good twenty minutes or so.
Here's an editorial on Bill Clinton on the Washington Post yesterday |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Wrap this thread up, because its done. |
Agreed.
But what are your issues with FDR? I understand that FDR, Eisenhower, and perhaps Clinton remain the twentieth century's most respected presidents -- among professional historians, at least. They left office with strong approval ratings, for one thing. (JFK did not serve long enough to include or exclude him.) |
I love Eisenhower and Clinton both. |
At the risk of sounding like a weird comparison, one of the reasons I like both Clinton and Ron Paul is that they're both intelligent enough to not have to bother speaking from a script. With both of them you're always guaranteed to hear something new or unexpected in an interview. With most others you've pretty much heard it all if you hear them talk for a good twenty minutes or so.
Here's an editorial on Bill Clinton on the Washington Post yesterday |
Great article, thanks. He is certainly can be a loose cannon. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Great editorial on Bill Clinton.
Love it. Would be fascinating to have him back in the public light again. He is definetely oozing with charisma. If I were a reporter and saw both Bill and Hiliary, Bill would be the one I'd be fascinated by to interview everytime.
It's amazing Hiliary has been able to reel that in. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Wrap this thread up, because its done. |
Agreed.
But what are your issues with FDR? I understand that FDR, Eisenhower, and perhaps Clinton remain the twentieth century's most respected presidents -- among professional historians, at least. They left office with strong approval ratings, for one thing. (JFK did not serve long enough to include or exclude him.) |
I love Eisenhower and Clinton both. |
At the risk of sounding like a weird comparison, one of the reasons I like both Clinton and Ron Paul is that they're both intelligent enough to not have to bother speaking from a script. With both of them you're always guaranteed to hear something new or unexpected in an interview. With most others you've pretty much heard it all if you hear them talk for a good twenty minutes or so.
Here's an editorial on Bill Clinton on the Washington Post yesterday |
Ron Paul definitely has charisma. I think thats undeniable.
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| The learning-curve issue for her -- and it has no precedent in American history -- would be figuring out how to deal with a husband who was very good at being president but shows little talent or motivation for being a president's spouse. |
I think that's cuh-rap. What has Clinton been doing for the past 8 years? Charity, fund-raising, writing an autobiography, and more charity. Isn't that just what first ladies do?
I want people who dislike Clinton, the Republicans on the far-right, to choke on their spite for him. I was angry when the whole impeachment affair came up: it was obvious that it was totally political. So while Ron Paulites seem to be voting for Ron Paul to punish the Republicans, should I vote for Hillary (and its unlikely I will in the primaries), the threat of Billary to the O'Reilly complex would please me and accomplish the same ends.
I'm a bit of an angry moderate, at this point.
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| And what would happen if a new Clinton administration gutted one of the accomplishments of the old Clinton administration? One potential case in point is the North American Free Trade Agreement, which Hillary says has to be modified. If she were to keep that campaign promise, would Bill just smile sweetly on his way to the next East Room reception? |
Oh, Bill would throw a fit! He'd throw a coup! He's crazy, CRAZY! [/sarcasm off]
Actually, I'm not a huge fan of Eugene Robinson. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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FBI Aims For World's Largest Biometrics Database
Sat Dec 22, 1:30 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion project to build the world's largest computer database of biometrics to give the U.S. government more ways to identify people at home and abroad, the Washington Post reported on Friday.
The FBI has already started compiling digital images of faces, fingerprints and palm patterns in its systems, the paper said.
In January, the agency -- which focuses on violations of federal law, espionage by foreigners and terrorist activities -- expects to award a 10-year contract to expand the amount and kinds of biometric information it receives, it said.
At an employer's request, the FBI will also retain the fingerprints of employees who have undergone criminal background checks, the paper said.
If successful, the system, called Next Generation Identification, will collect the biometric information in one place for ... identification and "forensic" purposes, the Post said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/fbi_biometrics_dc;_ylt=AtrBh57vq42XWzFpijTEGtRhr7sF |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Ron Paul Crosses The Christmas Candidate
Tue Dec 25, 11:09 AM ET
The Nation -- There is no debating that the most manipulative campaign advertisement of a Holiday season that in Iowa and New Hampshire offers no respite from the pleadings of politicians is that of the supremely cynical Mike Huckabee.
Appearing beneath a glowing cross and proclaiming "what really matters is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ," the former governor of Arkansas stakes his claim as the Christmas candidate.
But Ron Paul is having none of it.
As he has throughout the campaign, the congressman from Texas is refusing to let Huckabee turn the Calvary Cross into a campaign symbol.
"It reminds me of what Sinclair Lewis once said. He says, 'when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.' Now I don't know whether that's a fair assessment or not, but you wonder about using a cross, like he (Huckabee) is the only Christian or implying that subtly," Paul explained in a pre-Christmas interview. "So, I don't think I would ever use anything like that."
Whether Huckabee is a standard-issue fascist or some sort of new-order theocratic fascist remains to be determined. But Paul, with his libertarian's eye for the autocratic tendencies of his Republican foes, has well reminded us that the candidate who claims Christmas bears false witness with regard to the Holiday and himself.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/45263211;_ylt=AspWgvqz_b5N_UHGOurGXINhr7sF |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Ron Paul will build a new coalition for liberty. The Republican Party needs to broaden its base or die. America needs to finally wake up to just how evil its laws are. The war on drugs is just one example of how America is destroying itself and how the so called liberals who support these laws are truly racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sLcf1jQ2QM |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Yah, interesting how many African Americans e.g. actually support Dr. Paul.
Of course, not that we'll ever hear this reported on CNN  |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: |
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