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Julius
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Trade and cultural contact is irresistable. |
So is self determination and freedom. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Trade and cultural contact is irresistable. |
So is self determination and freedom. |
I cannot disagree with that about self-determination. Freedom is more tricky. To paraphrase Rousseau, most people bind themselves in shackles.
I think this move for self-reliance by the Lakota may turn out for the best. But they'll need US co-operation and investment from the private sector. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Hmm...Why has there been little media focused on it? Probably because no one really regards it as being anything significant.
I foresee a Southpark episode related to this in the not so distant future... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Trade and cultural contact is irresistable. |
So is self determination and freedom. |
Self determinism is one thing, but you are talking about ethnic or cultural "self" determination. Which isn't really self, but collective. That assumes a coherent collective and a whole lot of other stuff.
This is a bargaining ploy by them to get more from the Feds. The negotiations will be quiet and it will go away. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
Self determinism is one thing, but you are talking about ethnic or cultural "self" determination. Which isn't really self, but collective. That assumes a coherent collective and a whole lot of other stuff.
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I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion, but wouldn't it be collective? Isn't a tribe, or any small scale democracy, collectivist? If all the members of the unit decide to accept what is best for the unit as a whole, that is both individual and collective determinism. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Okey-dokey, red herring... |
You don't seem to know what a red herring is. Perhaps you should consult your dictionary. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Okey-dokey, red herring... |
You don't seem to know what a red herring is. Perhaps you should consult your dictionary. |
Actually, I think 'tis you that should. You would be a great Republican, what with your red herring tendencies. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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