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cerulean808

Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: Christofacists bomb Nashville Mosque |
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. � Three men have been charged in the firebombing of a small mosque over the weekend, federal prosecutors said Tuesday. Authorities said Eric Ian Baker, 32, Michael Corey Golden, 23, and Jonathan Edward Stone, 19, had planned for a week to burn down the Islamic Center of Columbia, about 40 miles southwest of Nashville, First Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul O'Brian said.
The men are accused of using gasoline, rags and empty beer bottles to set fire to the storefront mosque on Saturday. The men, who were arrested later that day, are facing federal charges of unlawful possession of a destructive device and state charges of arson.
The federal complaint filed against the men says Stone and Baker told officers they were members of the Christian Identity movement, an extreme doctrine that claims white Europeans are God's chosen people. The complaint also said Baker spray-painted swastikas on the walls of the building, including the phrase "White Power."
Associated Press, 13 February 2008
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Looks like all the anti Muslim hate propaganda in the media is having the desired effect. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Looks like all the anti Muslim hate propaganda in the media is having the desired effect. |
So, you are saying the media in reporting news about muslims wants white supremacists to burn down mosques?
You're going to need to provide some evidence for that. |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Obviously no sane person supports violent attacks on mosques, but considering US mosques are demonstrably responsible for preaching Saudi-sponsored Wahhabism, it's unsurprising that mosques will become targets of violence. Expect more in the future and also expect suicide bombings in US cities to be only a question of when and how devastating. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: |
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muslims are less popular than herpes now. And it is only muslims that can change this.
The left and other mulitculti types have tried to shut people up by calling them names, and this has only made the reaction more angry and intense.
If muslims want to be part of Western society and not be widely disliked, they are going to have to start a massive and meaningful (and honest) PR campaign. This means marching when mulsims blow stuff up. Writing letters to the editor denouncing muslim violence by the thousands. Publicly challenging the hate that is spat in almost every mosque. Opposing the taxi drivers who won't take blind dudes and their dogs. And they better get on it quick. And not being so gawddamed defensive and tribal.
Like the Mexicans who take Mexican flags to pro-immigration rallies and alienate those who would likely support them, the muslims are their own worst enemy. Constantly playing the victim card is getting them nowhere.
By the by. Setting fire to a small mosque isn't a bomb. These are bombs:
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:45 am Post subject: |
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I'm just wondering if thep_eel [sic] will have wet dreams about this tonight.
I'm confident the moderates will rally around and denounce the actions of the slimeballs who did this. I'm not going to say anything about what happens or doesn't happen in other countries. I'm more concerned that people in my country act correctly. |
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cerulean808

Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: |
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thepeel wrote: |
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Looks like all the anti Muslim hate propaganda in the media is having the desired effect. |
So, you are saying the media in reporting news about muslims wants white supremacists to burn down mosques?
You're going to need to provide some evidence for that. |
Would the kind of 'evidence' your right wing government likes to present suffice?
What I'm referring to is the incitement of fear and hatred in the general population against an out group. Something right wingers love to do. And anyone who does that knows full well that acts of violence directed at that out group will occur.
And interesting you zero in on the "white supremacists" description while carefully avoiding the Christian bit. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: |
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more religion in action.now we get to await escalation. joy. rapture even. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:56 am Post subject: |
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Would the kind of 'evidence' your right wing government likes to present suffice? |
Yes. Examples that the media whips up hate against muslims. Provide 5. Then i will counter with 5 that demonstrate how the media plays down the threat. Keep it mass media and mainstream. Consider this a challenge that will follow you around for the next 6 months if you don't participate.
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What I'm referring to is the incitement of fear and hatred in the general population against an out group. Something right wingers love to do. And anyone who does that knows full well that acts of violence directed at that out group will occur. |
Examples and evidence.
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And interesting you zero in on the "white supremacists" description while carefully avoiding the Christian bit.
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I'm atheist. Pay attention, douchebag.
Hey ya-ta.
Find a single example where I have ever advocated in any capacity, even slightly, any kind of violence. Use the search function. Find one. Thanks. |
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cerulean808

Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Wow, someone's spat the dummy.
thepeel
Did I say you weren't. I pointed out you dodged the Christian reference, after all it's Islam which is being spun as a religion of hate, compared to "civilised" Christianity.
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Yes. [ to the rhetorical question: Would the kind of 'evidence' your right wing government likes to present suffice? ] |
You have already thrown your governments BS about WMD down the memory hole obviously. I understand, it must be very painful and humiliating for you to remember.
Ok, it's your challenge, so you go first, knock yourself out.  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Cerulean
Funny you ought to talk about the Iraq war in this thread. if it makes you feel any better most white supremacists opposed the Iraq war.
They blame it on neo conservatives just like you do . |
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Safron

Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Location: portland, or
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: Where's all this heading |
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I don't know what people on this board think, but I think this is heading towards another big war. A worldish war. There's too many conflicts that have been arising, history repeats itself, and it's about time. Not sure that the US will be on the winning side this time though. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Let me also add that I am very upset by this hate crime and act of domestic terror.
I had hoped the US was better than this. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: |
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Hey ya-ta.
Find a single example where I have ever advocated in any capacity, even slightly, any kind of violence. Use the search function. Find one. Thanks. |
No, I acknowledge that you haven't. You are the gutless wonder type that stands on the side, spewing hate and then throws up his hands in amazement when someone acts on your inspiration. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Let me say, that most people in America whether Christian or Muslim are rather tolerant. The people who firebombed the mosque may have killed black people. Their target happened to have been Muslims. The idea that most mosques are run by Saudi Arabia cannot be substantiated. I happen to know that one of the main mosques in the Dallas area was long run by a Turk who is Sufi-minded and quite liberal in many ways. Yes, many mosques were connected to Wahhabis, I will say that, but it is so easy to generalize.
As far as Muslims protesting against violence, many Muslims have done that and written letters. However, must people be reminded that during the Vietnam war 55,000 American soldiers died, which was a fraction of the amount of Vietnamese people who were killed. Americans did protest that, but that was in the 1970s, and Americans were being killed, so it meant something. When did Americans protest Indonesia using American weapons to ethnic cleanse Catholic East Timorese? I never heard of it in a major way. How many Americans protested when Lebanon's civilian infrastructure in the 1980s and in 2006 were bombed heavily. Israel killed easily over 10,000 civilians in the invasion.
Some even say 20,000. That is much more than Sept.11th, the Madrid bombings, and London bombings combined. As far as I am concerned, people are people whether they are Jewish, Christian, Muslim, American, British, and French. You just seem to think the American dead are worthy of mention and Muslims deserve violence. It doesn't seem tolerant to me... |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Why are they not called "youths" as Muslims are when they torch something? |
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