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Is this all an attempt to kill Hagwons? I think so.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korlingus wrote:
Conspiracy? I think you need a little more aluminum foil under your hat. Laughing


Who said conspiracy? Well, I didn't, anyway.
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Khenan



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
Korlingus wrote:
Conspiracy? I think you need a little more aluminum foil under your hat. Laughing


Who said conspiracy? Well, I didn't, anyway.


Wish I had a citation, but I read a paper once that discovered that aluminum foil actually amplifies a certain range of wavelengths, and that that specific set of wavelengths was reserved by the U.S. Feds.......

Funny.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khenan wrote:
bassexpander wrote:
Korlingus wrote:
Conspiracy? I think you need a little more aluminum foil under your hat. Laughing


Who said conspiracy? Well, I didn't, anyway.


Wish I had a citation, but I read a paper once that discovered that aluminum foil actually amplifies a certain range of wavelengths, and that that specific set of wavelengths was reserved by the U.S. Feds.......

Funny.
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Then there are those that think that the US government is involved in a conspiracy against the rest of the world. Rolling Eyes
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twg



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the intent is to put everything about ESL under tighter government control.

Which is fair enough, I guess. But for an industry that was built and thrives on lax regulations, it does indeed sound like a death knell.
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SHANE02



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tighter control?

How about they check that tax, medical, social security payments are being made?
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SHANE02 wrote:
Tighter control?

How about they check that tax, medical, social security payments are being made?


I agree - but - in public education jobs, these things ARE done - it's the private sector where they are not.
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gypsyfish



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it's a CELTA conspiracy because CELTA isn't valued in Korea.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gypsyfish wrote:
Maybe it's a CELTA conspiracy because CELTA isn't valued in Korea.


It does have value. About the same value as these: www.eslcafe.com

Back on topic, though...

I think it has a lot to do with a fight over money. How many universities are now adding their own hagwons (and expensive TESOL courses)? How many public schools are now adding teachers?

Kill off the hagwons by tightening restrictions on them. Pass laws against private tutoring that get you put in jail.

Look at the people who are proposing/passing these laws, and the connections that they have. Who are their friends? I'd be curious about all of these things.
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Kimchieluver



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once LMB is in power and has all his minions lined up, I would not be surprised if the Korean government did a 160 with these laws.
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magicmajenta



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what are the regulations if you are getting a publlic school job. Have they changed or is it still pretty much interview by phone and that's it?
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gypsyfish



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchieluver wrote:
Once LMB is in power and has all his minions lined up, I would not be surprised if the Korean government did a 160 with these laws.


Do you mean a 180? Of course with the Korean government, it could be a 160, a 69, or a 12.
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Kimchieluver



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gypsyfish wrote:
Kimchieluver wrote:
Once LMB is in power and has all his minions lined up, I would not be surprised if the Korean government did a 160 with these laws.


Do you mean a 180? Of course with the Korean government, it could be a 160, a 69, or a 12.


Hehe. I originally typed in a 360 and decided that would not be the case so when I edited I screwed up, but nice catch.
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Insidejohnmalkovich



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do some teachers keep calling for the hagwons to pay taxes, pension and medical insurance? Those things are just chunks out of my paycheck.
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PGF



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insidejohnmalkovich wrote:
Why do some teachers keep calling for the hagwons to pay taxes, pension and medical insurance? Those things are just chunks out of my paycheck.


really?
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paquebot



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insidejohnmalkovich wrote:
Why do some teachers keep calling for the hagwons to pay taxes, pension and medical insurance? Those things are just chunks out of my paycheck.


Calling for taxes is usually related to erroneous statements of how much should be deducted for taxes - many contracts outline 3.3 or 5% deductions per pay period when this is a false claim. Why pay a fixed 5% when it's a flexible amount that often comes out to ~1.6% for the standard salary?

Pension, depending on where you're from, is equivalent to a savings account that will net you a 200% return come the end of the year. Deductions are made from your salary that are matched by your employer. Who doesn't like getting free money at the completion of their contract?

Medical insurance is great if you ever need to take advantage of the health care services of Korea. True, most people assume they'll never get hurt, but it would certainly come in handy were an accident to befall you (or any of us) while living in Korea.

They're all chunks out of [our] paycheck, but the last two can be very positive for many people.
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