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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 2:03 pm Post subject:

Tiger Beer wrote:

katydid wrote:

I've heard in America, at least that soon, we will all be blended together. A long time ago someone ran a study or a story on it with an "artist's composite" of what an American would look like maybe in about as soon as 100 years. Americans are going to look very Hispanic soon, according to this article.
I'm all for racial mixing myself...if I have children with someone darker than me, at least they will not have to freakishly avoid the sun like I do. Smile

Exactly! Same here! Exact same here!

Its interesting as well.. as most 'very white looking people' aren't that attracted to each other either. At least they don't seem to be to me. I'm so attracted to dark features.. brown eyes, brown skin, dark hair.. I want my children to be a mix of that. Its very attractive too..

Buddy Bradley quoted me and said he doesn't believe that different ethnicities can live together. That wasn't my point at all and I do believe that they can. I'll hold my opinions on CERTAIN ethnicities since they mysteriously disappeared last time.

desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:50 pm Post subject:

Yaya wrote:

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I'll hold my opinions on CERTAIN ethnicities since they mysteriously disappeared last time.

Good idea.

As I said before, racism (and ethnocentrism) is one of the most irrational, primitive and harmful impulses known to humans. And stereotyping is ignorant.

Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:35 pm Post subject:

desultude wrote:

Yaya wrote:

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I'll hold my opinions on CERTAIN ethnicities since they mysteriously disappeared last time.

Good idea.

As I said before, racism (and ethnocentrism) is one of the most irrational, primitive and harmful impulses known to humans. And stereotyping is ignorant.

Oh, really? Is it racist to quote stats that say a certain ethnicity comprises only 15% of the population but 54% of the homicide defendants and the like?

desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:51 pm Post subject:

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Yaya Posted:

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desultude wrote:

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Yaya wrote:

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I'll hold my opinions on CERTAIN ethnicities since they mysteriously disappeared last time.

Good idea.

As I said before, racism (and ethnocentrism) is one of the most irrational, primitive and harmful impulses known to humans. And stereotyping is ignorant.

Oh, really? Is it racist to quote stats that say a certain ethnicity comprises only 15% of the population but 54% of the homicide defendants and the like?

Short answer: Yes

For the long answer you actually need to understand some basic social science. Since I am not being paid to teach you sociology 101, you will have to bask in the golw of your own shining ignorance.

Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:12 pm Post subject:

desultude wrote:

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Yaya Posted:

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desultude wrote:

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Yaya wrote:

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I'll hold my opinions on CERTAIN ethnicities since they mysteriously disappeared last time.

Good idea.

As I said before, racism (and ethnocentrism) is one of the most irrational, primitive and harmful impulses known to humans. And stereotyping is ignorant.

Oh, really? Is it racist to quote stats that say a certain ethnicity comprises only 15% of the population but 54% of the homicide defendants and the like?

Well, considering my major was sociology in college, I don't need a lesson from someone who obviously doesn't know. Second, how is it racist to quote stats? And it ain't just me, either, if you have been doing some reading (and obviously, you haven't).

I guess anything that doesn't fit the PC vocabulary is racist to you, isn't it? Actually, it's YOU who are basking in your ignorance, as you seem to have a weak grasp of certain issues, so bask on.

kangnamdragon

Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:54 pm Post subject:

scarneck wrote:

How about this: My old lady is from Seoul and doesn't like people from Cheollado...WTF is that about? Says they are too selfish and always have two faces...

I believe a lot of this comes from history. The Baekjae Kingdom formed an alliance with Japan and a lot of people still remember this, which happened 1000 years ago.

desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:22 pm Post subject:

Yaya:

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I am not surprised that you took undergraduate classes in sociology. But they should have taught you about the dangers of overgeneralizing, mistaken causality, and the spurious notion of race.

If you wish to believe that there is an inherent and consistent propensity towards a particular type of behavior (crime) from a particular group of people based on correlation (crime rates, etc.) without asking questions about causality, then you must not have studied much statistics, philosophy of science, or logic.

An expat group of people (Mexican immigrants) separated from family and culture, will behave differently than they would in their own country (look at the behavior of your fellow teachers in Korea, if you need an example). Then you add in the demoralizing factors of poverty and discrimination, and you will have some really skewed behavior. Having lived in Mexico City, I can tell you that what you seem to think about Mexicans in Southern California is not at all the case with Mexicans I know.

BTW: PhC- Political Science. Haved lived for years in L.A., and for some time in Mexico City. Undergrad in sociology and clearly biased attitudes do not give you grounds for claiming validity for spurious conclusions.

kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:38 pm Post subject:

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Oh, really? Is it racist to quote stats that say a certain ethnicity comprises only 15% of the population but 54% of the homicide defendants and the like?

I'm not going to give you much of my precious time as you don't deserve it, and you will not understand or benifit from this, but it's for other people, as many of us enjoy watching a bigot get put in his place.

Answer: Yes, if you don't also account for socio/economic circumstances. The nature/nurture debate is not settled, and most professionals in the feild acknowledge that both factors affect behaviour. There is no proven racial propencity for a particular behaviour when divorced from social circumstances.

Crime has been far more linked to poverty statistically than it has ever been linked to race. So, in an all white area you will still get a similar level of crime from the low income sector.

Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:25 pm Post subject:

Hmm, it seems the last two posters fall into the classic trap of the bleeding heart liberal. I have my ideas DESPITE the left-wing propaganda fed to me by my professors in college. I was actually buying into that drivel until a momentous event happened in my life - I GOT A JOB and realized just how tough it is to make it out there, REGARDLESS of race. Crime is no doubt linked to income levels and the like, but how do you account for the fact that other minorities with lower incomes who