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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
katydid wrote:
I've heard in America, at least that soon, we will all be blended together. A long time ago someone ran a study or a story on it with an "artist's composite" of what an American would look like maybe in about as soon as 100 years. Americans are going to look very Hispanic soon, according to this article.
I'm all for racial mixing myself...if I have children with someone darker than me, at least they will not have to freakishly avoid the sun like I do. Smile

Exactly! Same here! Exact same here!

Its interesting as well.. as most 'very white looking people' aren't that attracted to each other either. At least they don't seem to be to me. I'm so attracted to dark features.. brown eyes, brown skin, dark hair.. I want my children to be a mix of that. Its very attractive too..


Buddy Bradley quoted me and said he doesn't believe that different ethnicities can live together. That wasn't my point at all and I do believe that they can. I'll hold my opinions on CERTAIN ethnicities since they mysteriously disappeared last time.
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:

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I'll hold my opinions on CERTAIN ethnicities since they mysteriously disappeared last time.


Good idea.

As I said before, racism (and ethnocentrism) is one of the most irrational, primitive and harmful impulses known to humans. And stereotyping is ignorant.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
Yaya wrote:

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I'll hold my opinions on CERTAIN ethnicities since they mysteriously disappeared last time.


Good idea.

As I said before, racism (and ethnocentrism) is one of the most irrational, primitive and harmful impulses known to humans. And stereotyping is ignorant.


Oh, really? Is it racist to quote stats that say a certain ethnicity comprises only 15% of the population but 54% of the homicide defendants and the like?
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yaya Posted:

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desultude wrote:
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Yaya wrote:

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I'll hold my opinions on CERTAIN ethnicities since they mysteriously disappeared last time.

Good idea.

As I said before, racism (and ethnocentrism) is one of the most irrational, primitive and harmful impulses known to humans. And stereotyping is ignorant.
Oh, really? Is it racist to quote stats that say a certain ethnicity comprises only 15% of the population but 54% of the homicide defendants and the like?


Short answer: Yes

For the long answer you actually need to understand some basic social science. Since I am not being paid to teach you sociology 101, you will have to bask in the golw of your own shining ignorance.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
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Yaya Posted:

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desultude wrote:
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Yaya wrote:

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I'll hold my opinions on CERTAIN ethnicities since they mysteriously disappeared last time.

Good idea.

As I said before, racism (and ethnocentrism) is one of the most irrational, primitive and harmful impulses known to humans. And stereotyping is ignorant.
Oh, really? Is it racist to quote stats that say a certain ethnicity comprises only 15% of the population but 54% of the homicide defendants and the like?


Short answer: Yes

For the long answer you actually need to understand some basic social science. Since I am not being paid to teach you sociology 101, you will have to bask in the golw of your own shining ignorance.


Well, considering my major was sociology in college, I don't need a lesson from someone who obviously doesn't know. Second, how is it racist to quote stats? And it ain't just me, either, if you have been doing some reading (and obviously, you haven't).

I guess anything that doesn't fit the PC vocabulary is racist to you, isn't it? Actually, it's YOU who are basking in your ignorance, as you seem to have a weak grasp of certain issues, so bask on.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scarneck wrote:
How about this: My old lady is from Seoul and doesn't like people from Cheollado...WTF is that about? Says they are too selfish and always have two faces...


I believe a lot of this comes from history. The Baekjae Kingdom formed an alliance with Japan and a lot of people still remember this, which happened 1000 years ago.
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya:

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Well, considering my major was sociology in college, I don't need a lesson from someone who obviously doesn't know. Second, how is it racist to quote stats? And it ain't just me, either, if you have been doing some reading (and obviously, you haven't).

I guess anything that doesn't fit the PC vocabulary is racist to you, isn't it? Actually, it's YOU who are basking in your ignorance, as you seem to have a weak grasp of certain issues, so bask on.


I am not surprised that you took undergraduate classes in sociology. But they should have taught you about the dangers of overgeneralizing, mistaken causality, and the spurious notion of race.

If you wish to believe that there is an inherent and consistent propensity towards a particular type of behavior (crime) from a particular group of people based on correlation (crime rates, etc.) without asking questions about causality, then you must not have studied much statistics, philosophy of science, or logic.

An expat group of people (Mexican immigrants) separated from family and culture, will behave differently than they would in their own country (look at the behavior of your fellow teachers in Korea, if you need an example). Then you add in the demoralizing factors of poverty and discrimination, and you will have some really skewed behavior. Having lived in Mexico City, I can tell you that what you seem to think about Mexicans in Southern California is not at all the case with Mexicans I know.

BTW: PhC- Political Science. Haved lived for years in L.A., and for some time in Mexico City. Undergrad in sociology and clearly biased attitudes do not give you grounds for claiming validity for spurious conclusions.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh, really? Is it racist to quote stats that say a certain ethnicity comprises only 15% of the population but 54% of the homicide defendants and the like?

I'm not going to give you much of my precious time as you don't deserve it, and you will not understand or benifit from this, but it's for other people, as many of us enjoy watching a bigot get put in his place.

Answer: Yes, if you don't also account for socio/economic circumstances. The nature/nurture debate is not settled, and most professionals in the feild acknowledge that both factors affect behaviour. There is no proven racial propencity for a particular behaviour when divorced from social circumstances.

Crime has been far more linked to poverty statistically than it has ever been linked to race. So, in an all white area you will still get a similar level of crime from the low income sector.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, it seems the last two posters fall into the classic trap of the bleeding heart liberal. I have my ideas DESPITE the left-wing propaganda fed to me by my professors in college. I was actually buying into that drivel until a momentous event happened in my life - I GOT A JOB and realized just how tough it is to make it out there, REGARDLESS of race.

Crime is no doubt linked to income levels and the like, but how do you account for the fact that other minorities with lower incomes who do not have the propensity to commit crimes or have children like there's no tomorrow? Not all Asians, Persians or Arabs are well off in the US but their crime levels go nowhere near those of the Mexicans and blacks.

And yes, I don't know how Mexicans are in Mexico (and don't much care) but it's well documented how they act in California and the US. You give excuses for bad behavior as if that makes it ok to act that way. "They face discrimination blah blah blah so understand them when they rape, kill and rob." It's not surprising that the state of California is pretty bad in terms of crime and economy considering Desultude's stance is pretty widespread in the once Golden State.

Kiwi says "crime has been far more linked to poverty statistically than it has ever been linked to race. So, in an all white area you will still get a similar level of crime from the low income sector." If that is so, why did the 1997 FBI Uniform Crime Report say 63 percent of the 65,624 drug arrests were minorities (50 percent blacks and 13 percent Hispanics)? There are more white people in the US than blacks and Hispanics (though that is rapidly changing) and yet the stats show more blacks and Hispanics commit crimes.

Another point I'd like to make is the lower standards that some minorities are held to. Economist Walter Williams wrote, "When it's noticed that black illegitimacy is 70 percent, and less than 40 percent of black children live in two-parent families, and social pathology reigns supreme, it's not because of personal irresponsibility. Instead, it's racism and the legacy of slavery. Nobody bothers to notice that a century ago, when blacks were much closer to slavery, had fewer civil rights and far fewer opportunities, black illegitimacy and family breakdown was a tiny fraction of today's."

Let's get something clear: despite the quick conclusion that Kiwi comes to, I'm not writing this because I hate blacks (I grew up around Washington, DC) or Mexicans, just like many who bitch and complain on this board probably have nothing inherently against Koreans. In fact, the REAL racists are the ones who keep pushing the culture of victimization and are the real enemies.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not all Asians, Persians or Arabs are well off in the US but their crime levels go nowhere near those of the Mexicans and blacks.

You'll find that a smaller proportion of those other minority groups are on the poverty line.
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If that is so, why did the 1997 FBI Uniform Crime Report say 63 percent of the 65,624 drug arrests were minorities (50 percent blacks and 13 percent Hispanics)? There are more white people in the US than blacks and Hispanics (though that is rapidly changing) and yet the stats show more blacks and Hispanics commit crimes.

Because a greater proportion of those groups a affected by poverty.
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Nobody bothers to notice that a century ago, when blacks were much closer to slavery, had fewer civil rights and far fewer opportunities, black illegitimacy and family breakdown was a tiny fraction of today's."


And illigitimacy and family breakdown was a tiny fraction of todays levels in all groups.
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I'm just sic of PC culture (in the US and on this board) that prevents an objective look at the facts for fear of offending people. The victims of "racism" can do no wrong, it seems.

I'm not a fan of PC culture myself. I'm interested only in the truth. Don't worry about offending me with your objective look, you haven't taken an objective look. Worry about offending me with your profound ignorance. You're an embarassment.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Kiwi, where are your sources? You simply say what you say without sources. And well, why do think that the Arabs, Asians and Persians have a lower poverty rate? Maybe it's because they don't make the same mistakes that other minorities do (getting an education, work their tails off at making a living, not having kids young and while unable to afford them, and staying out of trouble).

You blame poverty for all of these troubles. So why are a lot of US blacks in poverty? Based on the answer you gave, it's clear you have little to no grasp of the issue. Much of the problem lies in the fact that so many blacks are raised with no father. Larry Elder (who is black), in his book The Ten Things You Can't Say in America, says America's greatest problem is illegitimacy. Many black youths are raised by single mothers and single parenthood is a major indicator of how a child may turn out in adulthood. As a result, 32 percent of young black youths have criminal records, as opposed to 7 percent of their white counterparts, according to recent Dept. of Justice statistics. Nobody forces people to have kids that they cannot afford or are unable to raise.

Say what you will about me but I'm not lower myself to name calling like you have.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Seoul Superiority Reply with quote

buddy bradley wrote:
Do foreigners who live in Seoul feel superior to foreigners who live elsewhere in South Korea?

Yes.

How lame is that?

"Look mom, I've made it big, unlike all those Busanians and Jejurians!"

SEOUL ROCKS MAN, it rocks my world! That and the pickled pizza.

Scratch that second and third part.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just like being able to buy certain things that are usually more available in Seoul than outside Seoul. Not much else matters to me beyond that.
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I lived in the boonie-mountains of Jeolla-do.

All of the ultra-hot babes I've met were from that area!
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
I wish I lived in the boonie-mountains of Jeolla-do.

All of the ultra-hot babes I've met were from that area!


Preach it, brother! I have consistently maintained that THE hottest women I've known in Korea are from Jeolla-do.
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