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Daves ESL goes for the save of the Korean government
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twg



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Daves ESL goes for the save of the Korean government Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
truthfulchat wrote:
I posted a topic about the age of consent laws in Korea and provided resources to show this was absolutely the truth that the government allowed children to have sex with adults. I clearly showed the age of consent was 13 and there were no age limits on the partners. Some people decided that it was ok for a 13 year old was OK to have sex with if you are an adult, I criticized it. Now here is the kicker I posted something like this before and they took it off immediately. With all this underage sex tourism in Asian countries including Korea and laws allowing children to have sex with adults (telling the paeodophiles to come over here), I thought this would be a good GENERAL discussion topic. Anyway, it seems that once again Dave's ESL came to the save of the Korean government to not make the government look bad, you know to "save face."


Trollfool, why don't you post the thread so others can take a look at it? You posted it in the CE forum.

I didn't enter into that fray, but I saw what went down. The general consensus was trollfool was trying to dig up dirt. He failed miserably.

Edit: I just checked. It's not there anymore. What a surprise.

People, ignore this guy. If you could have read that thread, you would understand.

This is the truth.
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truthfulchat



Joined: 30 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: I think this will prove my point Reply with quote

I think this will prove the age of consent in Korea.

http://www.yesu.kimc.net/49sung-1.htm (Korean)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/child_abuse_and_recovery/113006
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Age_of_consent
http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

In addition, for people who disagree with me when I say it is wrong for minors to have sex with adults, you either support paeodophiles or you are one yourself. Also, look at this article from the BBC on age of consent:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3699814.stm


Anyway, my point of this topic was not to point out what I already pointed out. I was trying to say if you say bad thangs directly about Korea it will be taken off.
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truthfulchat



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Age of consent response to US and Korea Reply with quote

First, in the US the states with age of consent at 14 have a three to four year rule. This means the partner shall be no more than three or four years age or the partner can be charged with statuatory rape. Second, the seoul police website forum was not even posted by the police, it was posted by a user like we are users. Furthermore, my fiancee is a supervisor at the Incheon Free Economic Zone (a government agency) and I believe she knows more about Korean laws and she says it clearly states 13 without age limitation, only limitations they put is if someone pays for it and tries to manipulate the girl into it.
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truthfulchat



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Oh I forgot to also point out where it was posted Reply with quote

It was posted in the foreigner room on the seoul police website....hmmm seems like it may be saying Korean adults can have sex with children.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:15 pm    Post subject: The word troll is very stupid to say Reply with quote

The only people who call other people a troll are usually the ones who disagree with the person who started the post. In reality, the ones who are calling me a troll disagree that adults should not have sex with minors. So these people must feel it is OK for adults to have sex with minors.
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Hanson



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: I think this will prove my point Reply with quote

truthfulchat wrote:
I think this will prove the age of consent in Korea.

http://www.yesu.kimc.net/49sung-1.htm (Korean)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/child_abuse_and_recovery/113006
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Age_of_consent
http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

In addition, for people who disagree with me when I say it is wrong for minors to have sex with adults, you either support paeodophiles or you are one yourself. Also, look at this article from the BBC on age of consent:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3699814.stm


Anyway, my point of this topic was not to point out what I already pointed out. I was trying to say if you say bad thangs directly about Korea it will be taken off.


It's very interesting to check out this site's numbers:
http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Spain's age of consent is also 13.

Homosexuality, according to that site, is still illegal in some American states.

I didn't see the original thread by the OP, which was deleted, but you guys are really giving the OP a hard time, and he has now backed it up fairly convincingly. What say you now?
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if your girlfriend is in her 20s, but acts like she is 13?
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truthfulchat



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Hanson maybe that site is not so up to date but the others Reply with quote

Hanson you point out one website that may not be up to date while there are many others that are. Hmmm..another person trying to make an excuse for the age of consent being so low.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Of course that would be different Reply with quote

Korean women tend to act like children because they feel it is cute. But in reality their mentality level according to psychology shows they are developed mentally. Read the article on BBC.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me, my philosophy is "age is nothing but a number"......
However, there are some limits to that statement also.
When a person says that, there has to be a sense that the person you are dealing with has the sense to know what is right and what is wrong without the guidance of an adult- that is the key factor that distinguishes between a teenager and an adult.
The adult has the experience and knowledge to distinguish between what is right and wrong, especially when it comes to sexual contact.
The teenager is just entering the experience phase where they gain the knowledge to know what is right and wrong, and usually view sexual contact as a kind of experimentation.
The problem in this day and age is that alot of people are trying to lower the age of consent to justify doing something that is morally wrong in our hyper-industrial society.
Although it might be right in one place, we know such conduct is wrong by our standards of morally acceptable conduct.


I usually try to play the devil's advocate on many different issues, one issue I won't take sides on is pedophilia.
If you know it is wrong, the general course of action is not to do it- it is not good for the mental well-being of the person involved.
Also, these days a person's conduct in another country can be prosecutable in their homecountries, not to mention ruin their social and their professional life if the media got their hands on the story and god forbid, if the person is found to have worked in Korea- it will only be more fodder for their media cannon....no matter how old the individual person is, if the person is under the sociably acceptable age of consent (not the legal definition of it), then it will not only look bad upon the person perpetrating such acts, but for the rest of the foreign community.....

Keep that in mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Wow someone that actually agrees pedophilia is wrong Reply with quote

I know some things we dont agree on lastat but I do believe in the socially acceptable thing but more governments are lowering the age though they don't look at the socially acceptable standards neither do they look at the psychological standards. They tend to go by a majority of perverts, some that are even representatives, who want the age lowered so it is legal to have sex with a minor.
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, the police board. Still good for a laugh

http://www.smpa.go.kr/smpa2007/bbs/board/viewMain.asp?code=for_eng&num=693&page=3&s=&c=&sort=&sk=&print=

Regarding the thread, truthfulchat's proof is simply insufficient. I don't regard any of the links he provided as authoritative. Show me an official government site or something.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bondjimbond wrote:
t-rock wrote:
Consent is 14 in Canada so i guess its time to start a crusade here too. It's a bit of a sticky situation. 13 (korean age?) so ya 12 is low. But what are the standards across the globe? What would you recommend as the age of consent?

The age of consent laws in Canada were either recently revamped or the bill is going through Parliament right now. They've instituted one of those five-year-age-difference rules.

Just so y'know. Canada's not supporting the pedophiles.



It's now 16 in Canada. Became law on Feb 28.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Wow someone that actually agrees pedophilia is wrong Reply with quote

truthfulchat wrote:
I know some things we dont agree on lastat but I do believe in the socially acceptable thing but more governments are lowering the age though they don't look at the socially acceptable standards neither do they look at the psychological standards. They tend to go by a majority of perverts, some that are even representatives, who want the age lowered so it is legal to have sex with a minor.


What's your definition of a minor and how do you establish when the age of majority begins? If there were any clear universal morals about age of consent then why would it vary from 12 to 20 around the world? The same goes for driving, voting, and drinking.

At any rate, Korea is a country governed more by convention than by legislated laws. If you break convention seriously enough (e.g. the Busan 9) they'll find a way to get you. If you don't break any conventions it doesn't matter what laws are on what books in Seoul (e.g. male teachers smoking at school). Current convention has it that post-high school = all right; still in school = big no-no, though a uni student sleeping with a high school student might be overlooked. I think this is a good convention, too. Having just returned from another class of 17-18-year-old airheads I can tell you that they don't only act like children; they think like children. I can't see how any of them could be ready to handle an intimate relationship with an adult. Other countries might have different conventions and laws that are more suitable for them.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:51 pm    Post subject: The Korean website from what I know is a government agency Reply with quote

The Korean website from what I know is a government agency but you would have to know Hangul. Another source I use is my fiancee, she works for the Incheon Free Economic Zone, a government body that deals with foreigners. One issue they are dealing with is the sex trade market and many analysts are believing that it could be so high to the low age of consent at 13, they employed some reputable psychologists (Korean and Foreign) to the study.
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