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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: The media and Israel.. |
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I'm not sure where political posts should be posted or if this is considered an interesting issue on a board so full of people who's rather discuss gossip about people on "chat with beauties" . Anyway , I'll give it a go .
Anyone who watches BBc , Cnn , Fox or any of the other "major" news networks and keeps an eye out for political agendas and language would by now be absolutely disgusted with their treatment of the Israeli/Palestinian conflicts . I've just say through a a report informing me tabout how palestinian rockets "Rain down" upon Israeli , and are clear evidence of Iranian involvement . This is reported as "matter of act" news with only an "Isreali reports" as a disclaimer .
This constant portrayal as Israel as the victims while you only need to look at the statistics involved would make it clear to anyone who the real victims are . The palestinan people have been killed in number far exceeding the israelis ...to expect them to take the brunt of the violence and compete blame is absurd !!
This cartesian dualistic view of the world...of "good" israel and "evil" palestine has no place in modern journalism . Shame on them . |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with you. I'd agree with you even more on the Current Events Forum. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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well who owns the media? how do you argue with the owners/operators of anything? in the end,it is theirs use as they see fit. if you don't agree you have other options. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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I think we need to let Israel and Palestine just fight it out. If Iran gets in there too, then so be it. It would be nice to see them start having to pay with blood in their own country. Maybe if they get Iraq'd in a major way, they be less likely to do something stupid in the future. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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I think we need to let Israel and Palestine just fight it out. If Iran gets in there too, then so be it. It would be nice to see them start having to pay with blood in their own country. Maybe if they get Iraq'd in a major way, they be less likely to do something stupid in the future |
Was that a wind up statement are are you just stupid ?
I don't mind if people say this sort of thing , but please just take your arguments to their obvious logical conclusion and admit you think the lives of people of "arab descent" are less important than Israeli lives . That you don't attribute the same humanity to the two groups . I'd just love to hear someone say it , because that's obviously inherent in all these types of arguments . |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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oh geeze...ethnic jews and arabs are the same genetically. same people. all their fussin and fightin is dr. seuss's "the sneetches" taken to absurdity.
dear god, save me from those who believe in you. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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oh geeze...ethnic jews and arabs are the same genetically. same people. all their fussin and fightin is dr. seuss's "the sneetches" taken to absurdity.
dear god, save me from those who believe in you. |
Yeah . If god existed he'd ban religion . Or if he cared for that matter . |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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You can't knock the Jews for protecting their state...the Israeli gov should get a "hats off", IMHO! |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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This constant portrayal as Israel as the victims while you only need to look at the statistics involved would make it clear to anyone who the real victims are |
During the d-day landings and the subsequent battles through Normandy and the Low countries, the Nazis lost far more men than the Allies, and so were clearly the 'victims' of immoral Allied aggression. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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i think what bassexpander means is that we should stop interfering in the affairs of israel and palestine (umm... i'm not sure what to call the country in question... israelistine?) and let them solve their own problems...
if they see that they're on their own and that no one is going to bail them out (israel is almost 100% dependent on US aid, and palestine is in the same boat) then maybe (just maybe) they will stop being idiots and start working TOGETHER... |
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Khenan

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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You know, the Koran actually mentions a time when Allah gave the Jews their own land (historical Israel). Of course, they're not the only group of religious fanatics who are able to igore clearly written portions of their holy text...
In a 180-degree turn of comment, when was it that the Jews became every european-decended country's favorite pals? I'm pretty sure that 100 years ago everyone was happy to have them scattered around the planet w/ no holy land. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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It all comes down to what the objectives of each side in the conflict are. That is a very, very important consideration.
The US killed more North Koreans in the Korean war than North Korea killed Americans. Does that make North Korea the vicitim?During WW II the US killed more Japanese than the Japanese killed Americans? Was Japan the victim? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: The media and Israel.. |
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bovinerebel wrote: |
This cartesian dualistic view of the world...of "good" israel and "evil" palestine has no place in modern journalism .
Shame on them . |
Tis the nature of pro-PAGAN-da.
Neo-nazi-con world view & agenda demands radical dualistic divisions.
You're either with "US" or you're a "terrorist", right? |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: The media and Israel.. |
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bovinerebel wrote: |
Anyone who watches BBc , Cnn , Fox or any of the other "major" news networks and keeps an eye out for political agendas and language would by now be absolutely disgusted with their treatment of the Israeli/Palestinian conflicts . |
Ridiculous to mention the BBC there. The latter make no effort at all to hide their support for the Palestinians nor any Left Wing issue.
bovinerebel wrote: |
I've just say through a a report informing me tabout how palestinian rockets "Rain down" upon Israeli , and are clear evidence of Iranian involvement . This is reported as "matter of act" news with only an "Isreali reports" as a disclaimer . |
If that's the case, you should examine the Israeli reports in question and present evidence of error or foul play. Otherwise, your comments aren't worthy of anybody's contemplation.
bovinerebel wrote: |
This constant portrayal as Israel as the victims while you only need to look at the statistics involved would make it clear to anyone who the real victims are . The palestinan people have been killed in number far exceeding the israelis ...to expect them to take the brunt of the violence and compete blame is absurd !! |
I, as a person of European descent, owe the Jews a strong state in an area of the world entirely of their choosing. My ancestors demonized and committed genocide against the Jews for 2,000 years. Frankly they can kill who they like as far as I'm concerned. Since the Palestinians believe their ghastly and barbarous book to be infallible, I am largely indifferent to their cause and largely supportive of the Israelis.
bovinerebel wrote: |
This cartesian dualistic view of the world...of "good" israel and "evil" palestine has no place in modern journalism . Shame on them . |
An exaggeration and likely an attack on a position nobody relevant endorses. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Just because the Israelis have much better weapons is no reason to say that the Palestinians are the victims. That is what you're saying, right, OP? If the Palestinians used a nuke on Israel, would the Israelis be the victims then? What if the death toll were the same? Would they both be cool?
By the way... Is English your first language? |
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