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[Ya-ta Boy]

When it gets right down to it, and you set aside your �hope� for an Obama victory this fall, do you set McCain�s chances of winning at 100%, 99% or 98%?

I�m asking because the debate in the Republican camp is whether McCain is conservative enough, but there is not a whisper in either the Clinton or the Obama camp about who is the better, more pure liberal. As far as I can tell, no one is supporting either Clinton or Obama because of her/his ideas, but are supporting one because she is a woman or the other because he is black. No one seems to care what either will do for the country�and there isn�t a whit of difference between their ideas. There are even people who, in recent memory, have said a) if Clinton is nominated, I�m signing up for the Libertarian party and never voting Democratic again and b) if Clinton is nominated, I�m voting for Huckabee the theocrat.

It looks to me as if the Democrats are still in love with the idea expressed so well by Dylan: �There is no success like failure, and failure is no success at all�. It�s the noble lost cause syndrome. Yeah, the ideals set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are nice ideals and we�d like �em, but we�re not going to play politics to get �em.

My prediction: The Democrats are going to let the Republicans play the fear card�fear of Moslems, fear of blacks, fear of women. They are going to let the Republicans vote for torture and claim to be the true patriots and get away with it. Again. The Democrats are going to sit in the corner and pout while the Republicans say they believe in small government while they invade our private lives and our private decisions, all in the name of their version of Christian theology. The Republicans are going to wave the flag, thump the Bible and make empty promises they have no intention of fulfilling and the Democrats are going to gaze at their navels and ask what went wrong this time.

[igotthisguitar]

Who oversees the electronic "voting" technologies?

[Rteacher]

In his appearance on the Colbert Report, George McGovern more-or-less characterized himself as realistic idealist.

He mentioned Jefferson and Lincoln as perhaps the two most idealistic Presidents, and he noted that one was a Democrat and one a Republican.

America's core ideals are essentially expressed in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, and Lincoln tried his best to practically implement them.

Sometimes wars are necessary - like the Civil War and World War II - but McGovern cited the Viet Nam war and the current Iraq fiasco as unnecessary wars not justifiable in terms of American ideals.

Some draw parallels between his 1972 run as a peace candidate and Obama's current campaign. He said that rival candidates within his own party seriously hurt his chances against Nixon by "ganging up on him" in the California primary, prolonging the process, draining resources, and promoting disunity.

Although he endorsed Hillary early on as a potentially strong President, McGovern said that the more he has come to know of Obama, the more he has been impressed by his campaign.

It does appear that the Clintons and their henchmen (like Carville) will probably weaken Obama (should he prevail - which is still likely...)

Maybe Obama's best hope is that all the late-night comedians gang-up on Hillary. Colbert saw an opportunity right away and has started "implicating" her in the Eliot Spitzer prostitution ring scandal...

http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/index.jhtml

(I expect that Jon Stewart will pick up on that angle tomorrow ...)

[arjuna]

The Shocking Video Hillary Does NOT Want You To See!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I


This one's for fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sudw4ghVe8

[stillnotking]

[Kuros]

[Gopher]

[Kuros]

Gopher,

The Bush administration has been a perfect example of the GOP lust for power. McCain has to distance himself from it to attract Democrats, but so far he seems to be pitching to the base.

[regicide]

When I listen to Obama speak, I hear an educated man with the energy to do something for the American people.


After high school, Obama studied at Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years. He then transferred to Columbia University in New York, graduating in 1983 with a degree in political science.



After working at Business International Corporation (a company that provided international business information to corporate clients) and NYPIRG, Obama moved to Chicago in 1985. There, he worked as a community organizer with low-income residents in Chicago's Roseland community and the Altgeld Gardens public housing development on the city's South Side.



It was during this time that Obama, who said he "was not raised in a religious household," joined the Trinity United Church of Christ. He also visited relatives in Kenya, which included an emotional visit to the graves of his father and paternal grandfather.



Obama entered Harvard Law School in 1988. In February 1990, he was elected the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review. Obama graduated magna cum laude in 1991.

[Gopher]

McCain no doubt has a balancing act before him, if he is to win come November.

[Nowhere Man]

2008:

[Gopher]

You are keeping records of what I said here two years ago, and still brooding over it?

Ladies and gentlemen: I present to you Nowhere Man: the very face of bitter internet obsession and stalking.

[Nowhere Man]

[Gopher]

Actually, the mods are rather useless on such issues. I do not need to contact them, however. You are clearly a coward with an obsession. Not a threat at all.

In any case, you have discovered a statement I made in 2006, in one conversation, that does not exactly reconcile with a statement I made in 2008, in an entirely different conversation. Congratulations for whatever it means to you. And if you are keeping track of my comments over years, then it apparently means quite a lot. C'est la vie.

[Nowhere Man]