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Beijing Orchestrating Tibet Riots?
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agentX



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, seems kind of weird, so what I want to know is
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The images they downloaded from the satellites provided confirmation the Chinese used agent provocateurs to start riots, which gave the PLA the excuse to move on Lhasa to kill and wound over the past week.

what intercepted conversations do the British have that confirm this? Do they have images of the agents undressing in alleys or hi-fiving police officers?

Now it wouldn't surprise if it were true. Stage a riot now, take the short-term hit, but crush the resistance before they can stage something big in August.
Better now than 5 days before the opening ceremony.

However, they probably miscalculated how much info would leak out regarding the matter. Sure, they knew it would hit the free press, but they weren't counting on everything hitting the free press.

http://www.dailymail.com/News/200803230070
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China lashed out Sunday at critics of its crackdown on Tibetan protesters, describing U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as "habitually bad tempered'' while claiming the Western media serve those who want to smear the communist country.


Way to keep the dialog clean, China! She already doesn't like you- do you really want to risk a boycott?
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tibet ( Cry of the Snow Lion )
1 hr 44 min - 2007-06-19

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6538297962102766026&q=tibet+documentary&total=463&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
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Saxiif



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
This sounds like nonsense to me.


Friend, you didn't have to get any further in your reading than igotthisguitar's name for it to sound like nonsense.


This.

I wouldn't put it past China to employ agents provacateur (sp?) but not right before the Olympics, the Chinese government is a lot of things but not stupid.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chinese government is also very addicted to the idea of the population not rising up against their government. We already know the Chinese government has no problem with the people rising up against other governments, though. Just look at the reaction of both the population and the government after a Chinese pland and American plane collided.

IGTG: I'm completely done with you. You are not only out of your mind, but you are dishonest and a troll, to boot.
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pugwall



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
The Chinese government is also very addicted to the idea of the population not rising up against their government. We already know the Chinese government has no problem with the people rising up against other governments, though. Just look at the reaction of both the population and the government after a Chinese pland and American plane collided.

IGTG: I'm completely done with you. You are not only out of your mind, but you are dishonest and a troll, to boot.


I agree the Chinese government have no problem with people protesting outside Japanese supermarkets or going crazy outside the American embassy over the plane and the Belgrade embassy before that.

If things are going to change in China they will take time. Its only 30 years ago since they nearly wiped out their own culture and were living in fear of each other under the control of a complete madman. Things are changing and are getting better but what definitely doesn't need to happen is Western intervention and Olympic boycotts by bandwagon jumpers and people who don't even understand the history or issues at all. There are elements of the Westen press who really want to create another cold war dichotomy situation for whatever reason.
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arjuna



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sources at British Spy Agency Confirm Tibetan Claims of Staged Violence
By Gordon Thomas
G2 Bulletin Mar 27, 2008

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-3-27/68095.html

LONDON�Britain's GCHQ, the government communications agency that electronically monitors half the world from space, has confirmed the claim by the Dalai Lama that agents of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, the PLA, posing as monks, triggered the riots that have left hundreds of Tibetans dead or injured.

GCHQ analysts believe the decision was deliberately calculated by the Beijing leadership to provide an excuse to stamp out the simmering unrest in the region, which is already attracting unwelcome world attention in the run-up to the Olympic Games this summer.

For weeks there has been growing resentment in Lhasa, Tibet's capital, against minor actions taken by the Chinese authorities.

Increasingly, monks have led acts of civil disobedience, demanding the right to perform traditional incense burning rituals. With their demands go cries for the return of the Dalai Lama, the 14th to hold the high spiritual office.

[...]
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreign Diplomats Want "Unfettered Access" In Tibet: Official

BEIJING (AFP) - Foreign diplomats demanded unfettered access in Lhasa Saturday after authorities allowed them to visit the riot-torn city amid debate in Europe on a possible boycott of the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony.



Two weeks after protests in the Himalayan region turned deadly, diplomats from 15 embassies, including those of the United States, Britain, France and Japan, arrived in the Tibetan capital for a hastily arranged one-day tour.

"This visit is a good first step, but does not go far enough to meet the request for unfettered access," one Western diplomat in Beijing told AFP after being briefed on the trip.

"Obviously this has been a highly-managed visit."

Upon arrival to Lhasa Friday evening, the diplomats met with the chairman of Tibet's government Qiangba Puncog, visited wounded paramilitary police in hospital and chatted with ordinary Tibetans, he said.

On Saturday morning, the diplomats were allowed to visit the Jokhang Temple, one of Tibetan Buddhism's most sacred shrines, where monks converged on a government-arranged foreign media delegation on Wednesday and denounced China's rule of Tibet, he added.

"The chairman of Tibet reassured them (diplomats) that the monks would not be punished" for their Wednesday protest, the diplomat said.

China announced the trip late Thursday night, giving the diplomats only hours to prepare for the long flight to the Himalayan region.

"They will carry out on-the-spot investigation of the real facts of the ... serious and violent criminal incident," the foreign ministry said.

It said other countries sending diplomatic representatives on the trip included Australia, Brazil, Canada, Italy, Russia, Singapore, Spain and Tanzania.

India and Pakistan were also invited, but apparently declined due to the sensitivity of the Tibetan issue for China's close neighbours, other diplomats here said.

Western diplomats, who were expected back in Beijing late Saturday, were unlikely to comment on the trip until after they had briefed their respective governments, they said.

The ongoing unrest in Tibet began on March 10 to mark the anniversary of a failed 1959 uprising against Chinese rule, an event that saw the Dalai Lama -- who Friday called again for talks with Beijing -- to flee to India where he has since lived in exile.

Unrest erupted into widespread rioting in Lhasa on March 14, and spread to neighbouring Chinese provinces populated by Tibetans.

As China's crackdown escalated, so too has the response of the outside world.

At the start of two days of talks in Slovenia on Friday, EU foreign ministers were split on the idea of boycotting the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony over Tibet, but keen for China to open talks with the Dalai Lama.

"You can be sure that information on the trip is being passed to the foreign ministers at (the) meeting," one diplomat here said.

Beijing says rioters killed 18 innocent civilians and two police officers during the unrest.

Exiled Tibetan leaders have put the death toll from the Chinese crackdown at between 135 and 140, with another 1,000 people injured and many detained.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080329/world/china_unrest_tibet_rights_diplomats


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arjuna



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arjuna wrote:
Sources at British Spy Agency Confirm Tibetan Claims of Staged Violence
By Gordon Thomas
G2 Bulletin Mar 27, 2008

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-3-27/68095.html

This may be true... or not.

But the US and the UK are not interested in "freeing" Tibet.
And the Dalai Lama is, at best, a politician.
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The Tibet Card

by Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich
Global Research, March 27, 2008

It seems that the US government excels at propaganda for it continues to win over the very people it has betrayed and caused to be killed; buying their trust, it offers a friendship that is only self-serving. Oblivious to the past havoc wreaked by the CIA in Tibet, the innocent gather around the storm, stare into the eye, ready to be sucked into it, says Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich.

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During the Vietnam era, the United States eagerly supported the brutal regime of Ngo Dinh Diem, a man who brutally oppressed the Buddhists; yet today our government has risen in defense of the Dalai Lama and Tibet. Has our sordid history finally led to compassion for the people of Tibet? One must wonder which people we want to protect for there are 41 races in Tibet, including Tibetan, Menpa, Luopa, Han Chinese, Hui, Sherpa, Deng, and so on; although by far, the majority are Tibetans. Perhaps the US is reaching out to the Dalai Lama - again?

It seems that the US government excels at propaganda for it continues to win over the very people it has betrayed and caused to be killed; buying their trust, it offers a friendship that is only self-serving. Oblivious to the past havoc wreaked by the CIA in Tibet, the innocent gather around the storm, stare into the eye, ready to be sucked into it. Not too long ago, the Truman administration attempted to use the young Dalai Lama against China's new Communist regime. The CIA offered to provide him financial support as part of the deal. Its subsidies to the Dalai Lama lasted, at an unspecified level, until 1974. However, the CIA officials seem to have misled the Tibetans into thinking they had American support for the establishment of an independent Tibet[i]. They did not.

Once again, the Tibetans are thinking they have the support of the United States. It should be mentioned that such names as Tom Lantos (a Holocaust survivor) endorsed the promotion of a free Tibet. He also promoted the International Campaign for Tibet, a campaign which receives grants from the National Endowment for Democracy � a State Department operation which engages non-suspecting NGOs to openly do what the CIA did/does. Neoconservative queen, Jean Kilpatrick was pushing The Committee of 100 for Tibet with artists such as Richard Gere as unsuspecting fronts[ii]

What is the reason behind America�s sudden interest in Tibet, the Buddhist ideology of 1649 Dalai Lama preserving animal and nature (we certainly could be preserving nature at home) or is it what is under nature? Tibet has the world�s largest reserve of uranium, and in addition to gold and copper, large quantities of oil and gas were discovered in Qiangtang Basin in western China's remote Tibet area[iii]. A friendly Dalai Lama would help reimburse the CIA subsidies, and much more.

There are other more important factors. Israel�s interest is undeniable. In fact, they have been helping this ancient green land with �agriculture techniques� in recent years[iv]. Elie Wiesel, Nobel Laureate and Holocaust survivor, is recruiting fellow Nobel winners to press China on Tibet. Other notables such as Spielberg have already cooperated, and Sarkozy is considering boycotting the Olympics. One has to ask why these humanitarians are not concerned with the well-being of 1.4 million Palestinians described by the UN and the ICRC as being subjected to worst possible human disaster witnessed.

[...]

Let us recall our servants who do not represent us, who do not serve our interest, and who are killing in our name.


Full article and further links.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8462
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reports: New Protests In Tibet ... As Diplomats End Visit
Radio broadcaster and Tibetan activists report fresh protests in the Tibetan capital

U.S.-funded broadcaster Radio Free Asia reported several hundred people took part

Foreign diplomats were ending a tightly controlled visit to Lhasa organized by Beijing


NEW: In Nepal, police say 200 Tibetan exiles, monks tried to storm Chinese Embassy

BEIJING, China (AP) -- Radio broadcaster and Tibetan activists have reported that fresh protests broke out in
the Tibetan capital Lhasa as foreign diplomats wrapped up a tightly controlled visit organized by Beijing.


CONT'D ...
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/30/china.tibet.ap/index.html
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tibetan Speaker Says Crackdown Continues
By HENRY SANDERSON, Associated Press Writer
Sun Mar 30, 7:13 PM ET

BEIJING - The speaker of Tibet's parliament-in-exile called Sunday for China to end its "brutal" crackdown against Tibetans and to allow independent observers into isolated Himalayan region.



China's Premier Wen Jiabao, however, said during a visit to Laos that the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, was "basically stable" and "social order has returned to normal." Wink

The Tibetan official, Karma Chophel, said at a news conference in Rome that the unrest was a response by Tibetans to China's hard-line rule over the region, and not fomented by the Dalai Lama or other exiles.

"Those who know the true fact of the matter know that clearly this is a genuine outcry and outburst of Chinese misrule over the Tibetan people," Chophel said. "Our demand is that (an) independent, neutral, unbiased, international group should go into Tibet and try to find out the real situation."

He added that China "is waiting to label Tibetans as terrorists (to) try to legitimize their crackdown internationally."

MORE ...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080330/ap_on_re_as/china_tibet
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chinese Regime Implicated in Staging Violence in Lhasa
Witness identifies policeman who played part of 'rioter'

Qin Yue & Qi Yue
Epoch Times
Friday, March 28, 2008

Evidence is accumulating that the Chinese regime orchestrated violence in Lhasa in order to discredit the peaceful protests of Buddhist monks.

According to the Dalai Lama's Chinese translator, Ngawang Nyendra, a witness reported that a Chinese policeman in Lhasa disguised himself as a Tibetan and joined the protesters holding a knife in his hand. This witness also recognized the man from BBC news footage and news photos provided by China.

A Chinese woman from Thailand (who prefers that her name not be used) was studying in Lhasa when the protests broke out in March. As one of her friends is a policeman, she visited him at the local police station quite often and got to know other policemen there.

CONT'D ...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2008/280308_b_staging.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China: Tibetans Planning Suicide Attacks
By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN, Associated Press Writer

BEIJING - China on Tuesday accused "Tibet independence forces" of planning to use suicide squads to trigger bloody attacks � the lastest in a string of accusations that have taken aim at supporters of the Dalai Lama.



The prime minister of Tibet's government-in-exile denied the claims, saying Tibetans are committed to a "nonviolent path."

"To our knowledge, the next plan of the Tibetan independence forces is to organize suicide squads to launch violent attacks," Public Security Bureau spokesman Wu Heping said Tuesday.

"They claimed that they fear neither bloodshed nor sacrifice," Wu told a news conference.

Wu offered no firm evidence to support his claims. Wink

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080401/ap_on_re_as/china_tibet;_ylt=AjQ5Yvg22pIpuFq9w2P0hBgDW7oF

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