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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: I hate Japan now too! |
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I love Korea, but sometimes the nationalists here get on my nerves and I want to see this country ebarassed.
And then I hear the Koreans moan and moan about the evil Japanese. I understand that past Japanese actions in Asia were pretty brutal. But what happened in the past should stay in the past, right? And didn't many Korean colaberate with the Japanese? Wasn't former President Park a former member of the Japanese airforce?
Well then I watched these three videos on youtube over the weekend:
The Rape on Nanking
Part 1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoW2WYdOsvg
Part 2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=user&v=iqH47MIpuoA
Unit 731
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAp8bSdE5MQ&feature=user
I still won't blame the current Japanses for the actions of their grandparents. That's not fair to them.
But damn, I do feel the Japanese should at least remove the war criminals from Yakuzuma Shrine.
Anyways, I've read about Nanking and Unit 731, but thoses videos put those past events in a different light. At least for me anyways. |
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darkcity

Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: SF, CA
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| in my mind, they've more than made up for all these atrocities with the quality of their AV. let's call it even. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| darkcity wrote: |
| in my mind, they've more than made up for all these atrocities with the quality of their AV. let's call it even. |
They don't make up for nothing until they publish honest accounts of Japanese history in their textbooks. The revisionist lengths to which Japan goes as official government policy is very disturbing. The textbooks don't even mention Nanking during WWII.
Japan = weirdo country. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| darkcity wrote: |
| in my mind, they've more than made up for all these atrocities with the quality of their AV. let's call it even. |
They don't make up for nothing until they publish honest accounts of Japanese history in their textbooks. The revisionist lengths to which Japan goes as official government policy is very disturbing. The textbooks don't even mention Nanking during WWII.
Japan = weirdo country. |
American textbooks have been hacked up and edited in quite similar / sometimes more disturbing ways. The ones I teach out of gloss over all criticism of the United States, praise Dubya and blur all mentions of slavery or warfare in such a PC way as to be more disturbing than obvious.
In any case, I just finished the documentary. Truly sick. Japan is a first class, first world, democratic nation now, and like many of it's counterparts it has a sick history. Korea's history? Not so sick, but Korea has never been a first class, first world, democratic nation in the same way Japan is, or America, or England... anyone noticing a trend? At least Japan seems to have learned from it's mistakes, despite having not admitted to them. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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The OP is someone who will never find the time to post similar Korean atrocities to the Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese and neighboring countries. In short he's a tool and a puppet for Korea.
For the people who aren't even Koreans, Japanese or Chinese just give it a rest instead of instigating it.
I've never supported Japan's past but they have more than made up for it since then. People have moved on. |
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cangel

Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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It's funny when people talk out of their @ss. Let me preface by saying I worked 7 years in Japan prior to coming to Korea. That said, the following is true:
The vast majority of Japanese textbooks do teach about Nanking just not in detail and to the extent one might like to see in the west.
Many of the Class-A war criminals at Yasakuni (not Yakuzuma as the OP stated) were convicted by the United States after the war. Some, for example, Gen. Yamashita, was convicted by overzealous American prosecutors with very little evidence to suggest he had anything to do with or knowledge of, the atrocities committed by Japanese troops in the Philippines. Other Class-A war criminals that aren't exactly was criminals are: Muto, Matsuoka, Nagano, Shiratori, Hiranuma, Koiso, and Togo.
Over half of the 14 Class-A war criminals at Yasakuni are no more war criminals than Macarthur. Guilty by association.
There is no doubt that the Japanese did many brutal things to many people. That is not justifiable. However, just look into the atrocities committed by everyone involved in war. Who gets punished? The losers. In all my years in Japan, I did not meet 1 person over the age of 16 that did not know of Japan�s war past. For the OP to say he, �hates� Japan is pure and simple stupidity. There are members of the Diet in Japan who lived through the war and hold some antiquated ideology but do not admonish a nation based on modern day propaganda meant to inflame, not inform. |
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mnhnhyouh

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Location: The Middle Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| cangel wrote: |
It's funny when people talk out of their @ss. Let me preface by saying I worked 7 years in Japan prior to coming to Korea. That said, the following is true:
The vast majority of Japanese textbooks do teach about Nanking just not in detail and to the extent one might like to see in the west.
Many of the Class-A war criminals at Yasakuni (not Yakuzuma as the OP stated) were convicted by the United States after the war. Some, for example, Gen. Yamashita, was convicted by overzealous American prosecutors with very little evidence to suggest he had anything to do with or knowledge of, the atrocities committed by Japanese troops in the Philippines. Other Class-A war criminals that aren't exactly was criminals are: Muto, Matsuoka, Nagano, Shiratori, Hiranuma, Koiso, and Togo.
Over half of the 14 Class-A war criminals at Yasakuni are no more war criminals than Macarthur. Guilty by association.
There is no doubt that the Japanese did many brutal things to many people. That is not justifiable. However, just look into the atrocities committed by everyone involved in war. Who gets punished? The losers. In all my years in Japan, I did not meet 1 person over the age of 16 that did not know of Japan�s war past. For the OP to say he, �hates� Japan is pure and simple stupidity. There are members of the Diet in Japan who lived through the war and hold some antiquated ideology but do not admonish a nation based on modern day propaganda meant to inflame, not inform. |
It is the balanced posts like this that stop me from staying away from this place forever. Thanks.
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Just what was the purpose of that one video. "While everything stated is factual we have taken artistic license in the visualization of the events" or something like that. LOL. So here is the truth about what really happened but we are gonna spice it up with scenes from horror movies and other wars just to make it look even more horrible than it really was. Nice.
By the way, the narrarator butchers just about every Japanese word he ever utters. Very obvious he has little knowledge of or exposure to anything Japanese whatsoever. I am not debating the veracity of the text, I've read the book which is cited throughout, but I would hardly call that an educational video. Base your view of modern Japan on that, hate Japan because of that video, and you are a tool. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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I don't hate Japan. Hardly.
My thread title was done more for attention, then how I really feel about that country.
However, with events like Unit 751, Nanking, ect... one can understand why some to this day would still feel hate towards the Japanese.
War is a brutal thing, but the Japanese seemed to take it a step further.
Although that poses the debate, what is more sickning:
Dropping an A-bomb and killing a 100 thousand civilians? Or entering a city and rapeing, bayoneting, playfully murdering, civilians in close proximity?
What is worse:
Conducting gross experiements like live amputation or forced injection of diseases on live human beings without any pain killers? Or using this material from a captured enemy for your own military, and letting some of those responsible for the horrendous acts go free and go on to make millions of dollars? |
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reactionary
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