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komerican

Joined: 17 Dec 2006

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject:

nicholas_chiasson wrote:

komerican wrote:

Calling someone an apologist is a pejorative and is just name-calling. It's like calling someone a "pointy-nose cracker", goook, niga, xenophobe, confucianist, etc. It usually says more about you than about the people you're pointing fingers at.

stupid post. Drive around Camden NJ an yell 'apologist' out the window. Then drive around Camden and yell "N_____!" out the window. I bet one gets you shot a hell of a lot faster than the other.

Words can have multiple meanings and often depend on context. The definition of "apologist" is not simply someone who makes a defense of an argument but can also be used as a pejorative to take a cheap shot at someone who merely has a different opinion from you.

If I yell the "N" word in Flushing NY, which has many Chinese, I won't get attacked either.

rocklee wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

rocklee wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Night Ranger wrote:

endo wrote:

sunnyvale,

you know what's worse than an apologist (besides a Korean hater) Wink

are waygooks like yourself who become fluent in Korean (seriously props to that, that language is a hella hard!) and then act like they are they are better than the other foreigners here.

And I bet you like to play that Confucian card as well. Guess what a-hole, you�re never going to be one of them.

You can study and immerse yourself into this culture as much as you want, but you�ll never belong.

So save the p-rick attitude for something of better substance.

Basically its like this.... On one hand you got a mighty whitey that has been here 10+ years..studied Korean for an ungodly amount of time, has a Korean wife, tries to think and do everything just like many of his "countrymen." and then there is the canadian guy who just touched down in Incheon 10 mins ago. To the Korean populace....these 2 guys are both the same. They're non-persons...they don't belong...and here it is...neither of them will ever be accepted here.

Ouch. The truth of the matter indeed.

Yeah but I'd go with the guy who has a clue than the other who has no clue.

I dunno. Some long-termers provide a really good perspective but there are a few who've become the biggest sell-outs with the biggest denial complexes you could imagine.

OK I vote for world peace.

10 years is a short time and having a Korean wife does not make you Korean. Gyopos live in another country for decades in order to acculturate themselves, e.g. attend public schools. Also, Korean men marry Vietnamese women. Are Korean men Vietnamese? The idea is absurd. Everyone on this board is a foreigner in Korea and there is nothing wrong with that.

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject:

komerican wrote:

The point is that a white or black person could be born in Korea, speak accentless Korean, take on Korean citizenship, and would still have people yell 'Yogi! Waegook saram eeda!!!' when he walks down the road. He would still startle people an ethnic Korean wouldn't startle when he comes up to them. He may even get preferential treatment over ethnic Koreans in some situations. But he would always be constantly reminded of his other-ness.

Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject:

komerican wrote:

nicholas_chiasson wrote:

komerican wrote:

stupid post. Drive around Camden NJ an yell 'apologist' out the window. Then drive around Camden and yell "N_____!" out the window. I bet one gets you shot a hell of a lot faster than the other.

rocklee wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

rocklee wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Night Ranger wrote:

endo wrote:

sunnyvale,

you know what's worse than an apologist (besides a Korean hater) Wink

Ouch. The truth of the matter indeed.

Yeah but I'd go with the guy who has a clue than the other who has no clue.

I dunno. Some long-termers provide a really good perspective but there are a few who've become the biggest sell-outs with the biggest denial complexes you could imagine.

OK I vote for world peace.

The next time you choose to tell us what a word means why don't you look it up first?

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
a�pol�o�gist Audio Help /əˈpɒlədʒɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-pol-uh-jist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
�noun
1. a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.
2. Ecclesiastical.
a. Also, a�pol�o�gete Audio Help /əˈpɒləˌdʒit/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-pol-uh-jeet] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. a person skilled in apologetics.
b. one of the authors of the early Christian apologies in defense of the faith.
[Origin: 1630�40; apolog(y) + -ist or < F apologiste]
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Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, � Random House, Inc. 2006.

mnhnhyouh

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject:

Underwaterbob wrote:

Which surely means that those who hate Korea, and try to convince others how correct they are, are also apologists?

h

endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject:

komerican wrote:

Are you f-ing out of your god damn mind!!!!!

Are you seriously trying to compare the term aplogist to chink, nigga, or whatever racial slur you can come up with?

I mean........screw it, you're not even worth it.

Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject:

mnhnhyouh wrote:

Underwaterbob wrote:

Which surely means that those who hate Korea, and try to convince others how correct they are, are also apologists?

h

Yep! You try to defend a point of view, you = apologist.

endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject:

Underwaterbob wrote:

mnhnhyouh wrote:

Underwaterbob wrote:

Which surely means that those who hate Korea, and try to convince others how correct they are, are also apologists?

h

Yep! You try to defend a point of view, you = apologist.

Yes, but in terms of this board a Korean apologist is someone who defends Korea to ana lmost irrational level. Their defence is entirely one sided and actually somewhat fanatic.

Waygook Korean Apologists (WKA) Laughing

are the worst becasue they're vigorously defending a nation that will never accept them.

komerican

Joined: 17 Dec 2006

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

komerican wrote:

I don't see how that is any different from anywhere else. Korea is a pretty homogenous country. The only way that would change is if millions of western foreigners started to send their children to Korean schools. Mixed kids from Asian families would not count since they would still look very Korean.

But why would a westerner send their children to Korean schools? Of course they wouldn't since western culture is more dominant now, hence Korea will continue to be a very homogenous country and western Caucasian foreigners will continue to be looked upon as different/foreign. It's basically a matter of demographics, economics, and history.

The west may be perceived as more open because of its geography and history (the legacies from slavery, immigration, and colonialism). I mean you can�t just tell people to leave, although you did try, Liberia and Operation Wetback are just two famous cases.

Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject:

While we're changing accepted definitions of words I say we make my first name mean the greatest person who ever lived. Oh and how about 2.5 = 5.0, then I'll be making a lot more money.

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject:

endo wrote:

Waygook Korean Apologists (WKA) Laughing

are the worst becasue they're vigorously defending a nation that will never accept them.

And there you have it. I do believe it is possible to get accepted into a Korean family, circle of friends, school, company, or church as one of the gang; however, on a national level, forget it.

komerican

Joined: 17 Dec 2006

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject:

endo wrote:

komerican wrote:

Well, I'm not surprised by your emotional outburst. As I wrote before, folks who use this word "apologist" are merely trying to bully and intimidate people with opinions different from their own.

Cleary the word in modern times has taken a pejorative meaning, it being mainly associated with Nazi sympathizers. Just do a search for "Nazi apologist".

Here's a source from wikipedia with a modern definition of "apologist". Now, since I am debating English teachers I've got to think that most of you know the pejorative usage but are either in denial or as I've written, cherish/relish too much the usefulness of the word to bully and coerce people into toeing the party line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologist

Today the term "apologist" is colloquially applied in a general manner to include groups and individuals systematically promoting causes, justifying orthodoxies, or denying certain events, even of crimes. Apologists have been characterized as being deceptive, or "whitewashing" their cause, primarily through omission of negative facts (selective perception) and exaggeration of positive ones, techniques of classical rhetoric. When used in this context, the term often has a pejorative meaning.

endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject:

komerican wrote:

endo wrote:

komerican wrote:

You are out of you god damn mind!

Apples and oranges Koamerican. Nobody here is comparing Korean apolgists to Nazi apologists.

Korean apologists are annoying, but they're not NAZIs.

Quote:

Here's a source from wikipedia with a modern definition of "apologist". Now, since I am debating English teachers I've got to think that most of you know the pejorative usage but are either in denial or as I've written, cherish/relish too much the usefulness of the word to bully and coerce people into toeing the party line.

Again, for the sake of this board, a "Korean Apologist" is someone who defends Korea to an irrational level. Unwilling to conced that some of the actions taken by Korea may in fact be unfair and wrong. Defending Korean honor with idiotic comparision that are not even comparible.

In other word you!

komerican

Joined: 17 Dec 2006

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject:

endo wrote:

komerican wrote:

endo wrote:

komerican wrote:

You are out of you god damn mind!

Apples and oranges Koamerican. Nobody here is comparing Korean apolgists to Nazi apologists.

Korean apologists are annoying, but they're not NAZIs.

Quote:

All I'm saying is you can't get a fair discussion by basing your arguments on insults. Your childish WKA acronym, for example.

If I called Westerners, WWB, Westerners With Backpacks, for example, that would not be a logical argument.

Labeling someone an "apologist" says absolutely nothing. You're not equating Korean apologist to Nazi apologist but you're using it in the same pejorative sense. Which up to now you denied doing! Laughing

Sorry but you lack rational, well thought out arguments, hence you consistently fall back to insults and logical fallacies.

endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:

komerican wrote:

Sorry but you lack rational, well thought out arguments, hence you consistently fall back to insults and logical fallacies.

Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject:

Wow, look at everyone defending their point of view. What a bunch of apologists.

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