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Suwoner10
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 Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: HAHA Uni Job 1.7 Need M.A. |
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Never ceases to amaze me how many ferners are taking these jobs for peanuts just so they can call themselves "Perfesser" --although they are NOT. A professor has a PhD. I even know jackholes who teach at University Language Centers and call themselves "Professor." I guess there are a lot of people out there that worked as drywallers back home, got here, and viola, took the Uni job for 1.7, and can now tell mommy they are professors.
I would bag on the Universities, but it's not them. People are taking these 1.7 jobs, or they wouldn't be advertised. It's mind boggling.
Oh yeah, 2.2 for those with a PhD...Bwhahahaha
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=30925 |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I can't think of any rational reason for an MA or PhD to take a job like this.
This one pays better, but with the 4 weeks of vacation I think it's the worst I've ever seen: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=120559 |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: Planned Failure |
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University programs "unigwons" or whatever they are referred to are simply a good way for the Korean academic "elite" to throw their perceived intellectual superiority into the faces of foreigners. They are nothing more than glorified hagwons and while some positions are legitimately excellent in their own rights, most are just a window dressing on the problem that exists within English education in this country. Until truly qualified people are regarded as such in Korea just as they are in their home country of origin, you will continue to see this ridiculous sham continue.
I am in my PS position now for better than 3 years, because I found this out quickly when applying for a few "university" positions after my first contract was complete. They offered me nothing more than I have in my current position and in fact they could not even meet the same benefits I had then or have now.
If someone just wants to be called "professor" then their problems are much worse than being employed by an institution of higher education in Korea or anywhere else in the world for that matter. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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To my mind, a Phd makes you a Dr. That is your title for good.
A university will give you Prof. status as long as you work there. Phd or not. If you don't have a Phd, then when you finish you revert back to no status qualification. |
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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
To my mind, a Phd makes you a Dr. That is your title for good.
A university will give you Prof. status as long as you work there. Phd or not. If you don't have a Phd, then when you finish you revert back to no status qualification. |
So anything anyone calls you makes it so?
Then I would prefer to be addressed as "King Suwoner" or Perhaps "Coolest Knight of the Round Table Suwoner" as long as we're suspending reality....  |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: HAHA Uni Job 1.7 Need M.A. |
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| Suwoner10 wrote: |
| A professor has a PhD. |
Not every professor (my dad and many of his colleagues, for example). |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Suwoner10 wrote: |
| Dome Vans wrote: |
To my mind, a Phd makes you a Dr. That is your title for good.
A university will give you Prof. status as long as you work there. Phd or not. If you don't have a Phd, then when you finish you revert back to no status qualification. |
So anything anyone calls you makes it so?
Then I would prefer to be addressed as "King Suwoner" or Perhaps "Coolest Knight of the Round Table Suwoner" as long as we're suspending reality.... |
Give it a shot! |
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Stormy
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
To my mind, a Phd makes you a Dr. That is your title for good.
A university will give you Prof. status as long as you work there. Phd or not. If you don't have a Phd, then when you finish you revert back to no status qualification. |
I was under the impression that the term for a university instructor was professor....the same way that a primary or highschool instructor is called a teacher.
A doctorate is a whole other kettle of fish. I was wrong that one time though so history could be repeating itself. |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: HAHA Uni Job 1.7 Need M.A. |
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| nate1983 wrote: |
| Suwoner10 wrote: |
| A professor has a PhD. |
Not every professor (my dad and many of his colleagues, for example). |
If your dad doesn't have a PhD then he isn't a professor. He's a lecturer or an instructor. |
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Stormy
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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From Wikipedia
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| The meaning of the word professor (Latin: professor, person is professed to be an expert in some art or science, teacher of highest rank[1]) varies. In some English-speaking countries, it refers to a senior academic who holds a departmental chair, especially as head of the department, or a personal chair awarded specifically to that individual. For example, in the United Kingdom and Australia it is a legal title conferred by a university denoting the highest academic rank, whereas in the United States, Brazil, Canada, Hong Kong, individuals often use the term professor as a polite form of address for any lecturer, or researcher employed by a college or university, regardless of rank. In some countries, e.g. Austria, France, Romania, Serbia, Poland and Italy, the term is an honorific applied also to secondary level teachers. |
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Dome Vans
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In order to be a professor you must hold a degree higher than that which you teach. For example if you hold a master's degree you can be a professor for a bachelor's program level class. If you hold a doctoral degree you may instruct a master's level class.
So technically anyone holding a BA in Korea and teaching a BA course is not technically a professor. But if the University wants to call them that then so be it. They don't always have to have the Phd to do it. |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: HAHA Uni Job 1.7 Need M.A. |
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| crazy_arcade wrote: |
| nate1983 wrote: |
| Suwoner10 wrote: |
| A professor has a PhD. |
Not every professor (my dad and many of his colleagues, for example). |
If your dad doesn't have a PhD then he isn't a professor. He's a lecturer or an instructor. |
Okay, but if you ever go to law school I wouldn't advise telling your "lecturers" that. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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This thread sure got off track. Might as well roll with it:
| Dome Vans wrote: |
In order to be a professor you must hold a degree higher than that which you teach. For example if you hold a master's degree you can be a professor for a bachelor's program level class. If you hold a doctoral degree you may instruct a master's level class.
So technically anyone holding a BA in Korea and teaching a BA course is not technically a professor. But if the University wants to call them that then so be it. They don't always have to have the Phd to do it. |
If true, this would mean that a PhD teaching PhD candidates are not professors. Since there's no higher degree than PhD, it means anyone teaching PhD students is not a professor. |
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Suwoner10
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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This thread sure got off track. Might as well roll with it:
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...and demonstrates precisely why Uni jobs here have turned into jobs MA's will take for 1.7.
Sure, Koreans kids at Uni call all teachers "Professor" simply due to their low English levels. It's just hilarious to me what lengths people will go to in order to make them feel like they are something that they are not.
...despite it more or less being semantic misunderstanding that Koreans call whitey teacher "Professor." |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Suwoner10 wrote: |
| cdninkorea wrote: |
This thread sure got off track. Might as well roll with it:
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...and demonstrates precisely why Uni jobs here have turned into jobs MA's will take for 1.7.
Sure, Koreans kids at Uni call all teachers "Professor" simply due to their low English levels. It's just hilarious to me what lengths people will go to in order to make them feel like they are something that they are not.
...despite it more or less being semantic misunderstanding that Koreans call whitey teacher "Professor." |
I don't think most people are on ego trips to be called "Professor." Sure there are a few, but it does sound nicer on a resume for your future career which is the only reason I'd like it. I'll be working at SNU's "unigwon," but I would feel a bit embarrassed calling myself a professor, especially as I'm about to drop out of a PhD program and know what those people have to go throuugh.
I think you're right about the English levels being a cause of calling instructors "Professor," although in languages like French that would be expected. But I think every grad student who has ever taught/TA'd has had that one freshman call them "Professor" and had a good laugh about it. |
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