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toddswift



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:17 am    Post subject: Chinese Military Reply with quote

I had beers Friday night with a group of Chinese students, and we got pretty drunk, and I finally popped the question: What will the world be like in five hundred years. There were 4 students from China, and three of them were quiet, but this one told me straight, CHINA will be the world, in Asia. He did not say the whole world, he predicted that there would still be seperated places like the Americas and Europe, but he did say that Asia would belong to China. I asked him about Korea, and he told me that he predicted north korea would be used by China to kill their brothers in the south, and that would leave room for the Chinese to come down. Makes me wonder.




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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably this post will be moved but all the same, I'll venture an answer and say it's not going to take 500 years.

China is just waiting for the U.S. to move on and out. I think they absolutely love K's present state of total denial and ignorance while the populace frolics in their neuvo wealth status of arrogant capitalistic nonchalance. It just makes it that much easier to plan their absorption into China's mainland.

yep, no doubt at all. Shocked
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cheeseface



Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both the US and China are begging for oil, there will be a huge clash of cultures and military power............


In 500 years I doubt either will exist as we use the word now. Shocked



As for toddswift watch out he might offer you an online fight, he is a wanker. Crying or Very sad
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

However, if China continues its 'research' into the Northeast Project, it would be easy to assume that China would successfully claim North Korea (by means of 'historical evidence' of cultural ties). And seeing how the North is as belligerent as it is, it will surely be annihilated in the next Korean conflict. After which China would step in as a 'moral peacekeeper', which the UN and EU wouldn't object to and because of such clout China is developing in the international stage, the US would be helpless to voice an opinion in the UN against such a move.....
Also, if China does reclaim Taiwan, it would most certainly intervene on behalf of other Chinese minorities in South Asian nations as Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand (they might even be seen as rasing claims to northern Vietnam and the Spratley Islands as they did in the late-70's- early 80's).......
Also they could lay claim to parts of eastern Afghanistan (on 'behalf' of the Uighur population there) and lets not mention that a third of Kashmir is under Chinese control (which is something you will never hear about in the news because of the ruthless tactics the PSB and the PLA use against minorities in those regions of the country and the tight media control the CCP exerts over China).

China is becoming the newest imperialist player of the 21st Century asides from the US and Russia, however seeing that much of the world is going into economic recession, China will be left with more cash to throw around to keep 'interested countries' under its influence..........
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China builds secret nuke sub base :

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353961,00.html


How far would China's expansion go if South Korea had nukes?
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a load of BS.

Those worried about Chinese Imperialsim manifesting itself in new Chinese territories based on historical claims are woefully misinformed.

China is not expansionist and they never have been. Despite their regional dominance in the past, they were content to make vassal states of neighbouring countries, such as Korea.

Modern China will do this economically - other Asian nations have nothing to fear.

As for Taiwan, as China becomes more prosperous, the Taiwanese will vote to join them. It won't be long.

China deosn't need to use military force to dominate Asia this time.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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China is not expansionist and they never have been.


Then how did they get control of Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, Singkiang and Tibet? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that China was always a land empire that expanded as far as the technology of the day conveniently allowed?
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samd



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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China is not expansionist and they never have been.


Then how did they get control of Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, Singkiang and Tibet? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that China was always a land empire that expanded as far as the technology of the day conveniently allowed?


All of those territories fall within the traditional bondaries of China. China had the power and wealth to expand, but never did, beyond these tradtitonal boundaries.

This is because of there "big brother" philosophy, where they preferred to control neighbouring countries through a mutually benefical vassal state system. China would benefit economically in exchange for military protection.

China was not only a land empire, and during the Ming Dynasty they assembled a massive fleet which sailed as far as Africa, attempting to continue their tribute system along the way. They never attempted to colonise other places, and if they had, the world would be a very diferent place.

I see no reason for modern China to have a different attitude. After all, they are the Middle Kingdom, and have no need to expand their borders.
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toddswift



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheeseface wrote:
Both the US and China are begging for oil, there will be a huge clash of cultures and military power............


In 500 years I doubt either will exist as we use the word now. Shocked



As for toddswift watch out he might offer you an online fight, he is a wanker. Crying or Very sad


cheese face, the cheesiest wanker of them all.













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toddswift



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

samd wrote:
What a load of BS.

Those worried about Chinese Imperialsim manifesting itself in new Chinese territories based on historical claims are woefully misinformed.

China is not expansionist and they never have been. Despite their regional dominance in the past, they were content to make vassal states of neighbouring countries, such as Korea.

Modern China will do this economically - other Asian nations have nothing to fear.

As for Taiwan, as China becomes more prosperous, the Taiwanese will vote to join them. It won't be long.

China deosn't need to use military force to dominate Asia this time.


right, they are so content that they are going to let tibet be free, wake up, look at Africa blind man, China wants one world, their world, I am just glad my family is not under such a hungry giant.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

samd wrote:
After all, they are the Middle Kingdom, and have no need to expand their borders.


What? Jesus, you're a tremendous tool. Congratulations.
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pugwall



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has this Chinese student got his hands on official government white papers? Not really worth getting worked up by a few throw away remarks from some pock faced drunken red guard wannabee. This all sounds a bit like hysterical hearsay.

Of course China was expansionist to a certain extent. Thats why Sichuan is called Western China even though its slap bang in the middle. Nothing compared to Western countries though. Mainly because the main focus has been keeping the stabilty in its own borders which has constantly proved difficult enough. Same problems today. Cannot see any evidence that China is launching some pan-Asian offensive. Would be interested to see any articles that prove otherwise though.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Economic expansionism is now in vogue. Why physically take over territory when you can economically control the people who live there instead? It's much more profitable and it comes without the 'moral' baggage.
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scytale



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in China right now, and I'm not so sure what to think. I think on the whole China is not a very expansionist power. What remains to be seen is whether or not the current group in power (you might have heard of the "Shanghai group" or something like that) are really that different from the crazies that invaded central Asia decades back.

For my money, there's a lot to be said about the "Middle Kingdom" idea that you guys were joking about. I can really see China as becoming more of a central hub connecting the rest of the region economically, and perhaps to some degree culturally.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scytale wrote:
I can really see China as becoming more of a central hub connecting the rest of the region economically, and perhaps to some degree culturally.


No thank you.
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