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catman



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: McClellan whacks Bush, White House Reply with quote

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Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan writes in a surprisingly scathing memoir to be published next week that President Bush �veered terribly off course,� was not �open and forthright on Iraq,� and took a �permanent campaign approach� to governing at the expense of candor and competence.

Among the most explosive revelations in the 341-page book, titled �What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington�s Culture of Deception� (Public Affairs, $27.95):

� McClellan charges that Bush relied on �propaganda� to sell the war.

� He says the White House press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war.

� He admits that some of his own assertions from the briefing room podium turned out to be �badly misguided.�

� The longtime Bush loyalist also suggests that two top aides held a secret West Wing meeting to get their story straight about the CIA leak case at a time when federal prosecutors were after them � and McClellan was continuing to defend them despite mounting evidence they had not given him all the facts.

� McClellan asserts that the aides � Karl Rove, the president�s senior adviser, and I. Lewis �Scooter� Libby, the vice president�s chief of staff � �had at best misled� him about their role in the disclosure of former CIA operative Valerie Plame�s identity.

� Bush was �clearly irritated, � steamed,� when McClellan informed him that chief economic adviser Larry Lindsey had told The Wall Street Journal that a possible war in Iraq could cost from $100 billion to $200 billion: ��It�s unacceptable,� Bush continued, his voice rising. �He shouldn�t be talking about that.��

� �As press secretary, I spent countless hours defending the administration from the podium in the White House briefing room. Although the things I said then were sincere, I have since come to realize that some of them were badly misguided.�

� �History appears poised to confirm what most Americans today have decided: that the decision to invade Iraq was a serious strategic blunder. No one, including me, can know with absolute certainty how the war will be viewed decades from now when we can more fully understand its impact. What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary.�

� McClellan describes his preparation for briefing reporters during the Plame frenzy: �I could feel the adrenaline flowing as I gave the go-ahead for Josh Deckard, one of my hard-working, underpaid press office staff, � to give the two-minute warning so the networks could prepare to switch to live coverage the moment I stepped into the briefing room.�
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Receiving much attn at CNN...

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Why air such dirty laundry in public? Because there's a market, says presidential historian Stanley I. Kutler, author of such works as "The Wars of Watergate."

Kutler notes that most of these memoirs, which he dismisses as "instant books," "fall into a variety of categories. There are the ones that say, 'I got you' or 'I'm going to get my revenge.' " Occasionally, he adds, "you get a thoughtful one."

The books also can be quite lucrative, particularly for lifetime civil servants who have never enjoyed the lavish lifestyles of Washington power brokers. Some book advances to former White House figures have been high, such as the $1 million reportedly paid to Reagan Treasury Secretary Donald Regan for his memoir and the $2.75 million allegedly shelled out for a book by ex-Clinton adviser George Stephanopoulos...


CNN Reports

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White House spokeswoman Dana Perino called McClellan's description of his time at the White House "sad."

"Scott, we now know, is disgruntled about his experience at the White House," Perino said. "For those of us who fully supported him, before, during and after he was press secretary, we are puzzled. It is sad. This is not the Scott we knew."

McClellan's former White House colleagues had harsher reactions to his book...

Former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, McClellan's predecessor, said in a statement that "if Scott had such deep misgivings, he should not have accepted the press secretary position as a matter of principle," he said.


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desultude



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the payback for hanging with dishonorable, untrustworthy people is having them be disloyal to you, in the end.

The memoirs coming out of this administration should at least be entertaining.

They may end up looking like a bunch of jackels fighting over the dead carcass of this administration- all trying to find one last way to cash in.

Of course, he didn't say anything we didn't already know.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NPR Discussion on "White House Memoirs"
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is nice to see validation of what many of us have said since the beginning.

Such disclosures come out regularly. It is incredible that so many people continue to accept the usual drivel that comes out of an administration at face value.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSNBC Poll
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bookemdanno



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman:

Meow.

Of course he "whacks" Bush because Scotty's a "whack-job."

If you want to actually get at the root of the problem and entertain another angle on this manufactured crisis, see Ari Fleischer's interview with Good Morning, America. In addition to very professional questioning from the interviewer/host, you'll get the take of McClellan's immediate boss at the White House when he first came on board.

Talk about your opportunistic publishing moves and nursing a grudge.

All the liberal press is desperately seeking explosive adjectives like "bashing" to describe what McClellan supposedly says about Bush. I wouldn't characterize it that way. He is critical at times but far more critical of the cronies: Libby, Rove, and Cheney.
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:53 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

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All the liberal press is desperately seeking explosive adjectives like "bashing" to describe what McClellan supposedly says about Bush. I wouldn't characterize it that way. He is critical at times but far more critical of the cronies: Libby, Rove, and Cheney.


So, if he's more critical of Rove, then he's not bashing Bush?

If the book doesn't come out till next week, then how do you even know this?

This screams "Damage Control! Damage Control!"

The only reason Fleischer's commentary is "better" is because it appeals to your world view. Sound familiar?

B-I-N-G-O.

This allegation-driven discourse aside, anyone wanna step up and say he's lying?

Here's another link to ponder:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-mcclellan30-2008may30,0,2091481.story

Yes, sooner or later, McCain is going to have to answer whether he thinks Bush spun the evidence to sell the war. That will be an interesting bit o' hopscotch when it happens.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wouldn't characterize it that way. He is critical at times but far more critical of the cronies: Libby, Rove, and Cheney.


How would you characterize their boss?
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agentX



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not buying his 'conversion' but if he wants to clear the air about his role in the debacles of the Bush Admin, then more power to him.

His disclosures clearly point the finger for the Plame affair at the admin's 3 stooges; Cheney, Rove, and Libby. It seems a LOT of crap comes from the VP office these days. Rove was once called "Bush's Brain" so the number brain farts the president has made lately confirms that.

He also said that the president was running the White House as though it was in permanent campaign mode. That's important to note because instead of running the country, the White House was too busy focused on making Bush look good.

They sent his ass out there on the line to fry and never told him what they were really doing. Maybe they thought he had integrity so he was kept out of the loop. Perhaps Cheney was right; he did have integrity all along, or at least enough to know where and whom to point the finger at.

Rove's in so much hot water right now that it won't surprise me if Rep. Conyers isn't planning on grilling Rove on the revelations with a copy of this book on the bench, after he grills him about the Gov. Sigelmann railroading.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: McClellan whacks Bush, White House Reply with quote

catman wrote:
FULL ARTICLE

Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan writes in a surprisingly scathing memoir to be published next week that President Bush �veered terribly off course,� was not �open and forthright on Iraq,� and took a �permanent campaign approach� to governing at the expense of candor and competence.


I find it a bit odd fatty is telling us this NOW. Hey, why not tell us when you're living the high life in the white house...

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� McClellan charges that Bush relied on �propaganda� to sell the war.


Yep. Knew that from day 1.

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� He says the White House press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war.


Wow, he's so darn insightful. Say, is ABC news going to be critical and get screwed out of being able to cover Gulf War II, a sure ratings winner?

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� He admits that some of his own assertions from the briefing room podium turned out to be �badly misguided.�


"Mistakes were made, but not by me."
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitter is loyalty betrayed
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an interesting development. His observations will be useful to historians when they write their assessments of this administration. An insider's view will have to be taken into account.

The big question of course is why did he do it this way and now. That can be a fun game to play. My guess is that he's only 40 and a member of a 'political family' in Texas. He must have political ambitions and feels the need to distance himself from the deeds of a deeply unpopular administration. His calculation must be that he needs to burn the bridges to that wing of the party that still supports Bush.

At least he's not pandering to Bush like McCain is doing.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
His observations will be useful to historians when they write their assessments of this administration. An insider's view will have to be taken into account.


Memoirs are retrospective, spun to suit the author's purposes, and difficult to use as sources. What do they include? What do they exclude? What explains the selection and editing process? (I use them, as well as oral histories. But we must ask these and other questions before doing so.)

In any case, one thing future historians may do is to compare McClellan's positions and statements in staff meetings while working for W. Bush vs. the positions he claims represent his views in his memoir. That might just prove an interesting comparison, once the W. Bush Presidential Library opens and once it declassifies such papers, that is.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nowhere Man wrote:
The only reason Fleischer's commentary is "better" is because it appeals to your world view. Sound familiar?

B-I-N-G-O.

This allegation-driven discourse aside...


Hmm. Hello, Archivist.

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Archivist saves and squirrels away each and every discussion forum message. Do you remember having a bad day back in 1996 when in one of your messages you may have said a few things that were...well, perhaps a little...hasty? Don't worry, Archivist still has it and will post it to the forum if you begin to get the upper hand in battle. Archivist can be a very effective and fearsome Warrior.


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