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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Grab the Chickens Levi wrote: |
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| we never went to the moon....the really silly thing to believe is that we did in 1969.....before we'd invented the pocket calculater..... |
Lol, you're making a fool of yourself with this gem...
It would be like saying it's silly to beleive we created the sputnick sattelite in the 1950's because the desktop calculator hand't been invented yet...
or silly to believe we created the nuclear bomb in the 1940's as the desktop calculator hadn't been invented yet...
Now, I'm not saying we did or didn't go to the moon, but your argument just does not hold weight. |
It's not an argument , but it's a curious fact that the Japanese and Chinese space programs can still not put a man on the moon despite being far more highly technologically advanced than the Americans were at the same stage. Nor could and have the Russians either despite at the same time being more highly advanced than the Americans. It's all down to the immense amount of protection needed from radiation in space for a human being to survive and weight ratios that would involve in the rocket technology. Also it doesn't help that the photos from the moon are riddled with hot spots and unnatural lighting and shadows , that there is actual footage of them staging being further from the earth than they actually were . Actually there are so many good arguments that have not been offered any adequate explanation that once you see it...it's almost laughable.
I don't care or have an emotional investment in it. Just another series of b#llshit public relations jobs done by the american government with a sinister political agenda. It doesn't surprise or shock me in the slightest that they faked the moon landings given it was impossible to do at the time , and probably still is. The vietnam or Iraq wars are far more shocking and sophisticated examples of what they are capable of. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. We've never been to the moon. I'm a highly intelligent , fully rational person and quite aware of the stigma of this conspiracy. I also know how the stigma arose through people like fox doing documentaries on it that did not present the overpowering evidence , |
Who is fox? |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. We've never been to the moon. I'm a highly intelligent , fully rational person and quite aware of the stigma of this conspiracy. I also know how the stigma arose through people like fox doing documentaries on it that did not present the overpowering evidence , |
Who is fox? |
hahaha 
Look at this guy ? He's either a pedantic, an@l retentive, douchbag or his head is so far up his @ss he doesn't even know that millions of people refer to fox news or the fox television network as "fox"
bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| bovinerebel wrote: |
| Grab the Chickens Levi wrote: |
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| we never went to the moon....the really silly thing to believe is that we did in 1969.....before we'd invented the pocket calculater..... |
Lol, you're making a fool of yourself with this gem...
It would be like saying it's silly to beleive we created the sputnick sattelite in the 1950's because the desktop calculator hand't been invented yet...
or silly to believe we created the nuclear bomb in the 1940's as the desktop calculator hadn't been invented yet...
Now, I'm not saying we did or didn't go to the moon, but your argument just does not hold weight. |
It's not an argument , but it's a curious fact that the Japanese and Chinese space programs can still not put a man on the moon despite being far more highly technologically advanced than the Americans were at the same stage. Nor could and have the Russians either despite at the same time being more highly advanced than the Americans. It's all down to the immense amount of protection needed from radiation in space for a human being to survive and weight ratios that would involve in the rocket technology. Also it doesn't help that the photos from the moon are riddled with hot spots and unnatural lighting and shadows , that there is actual footage of them staging being further from the earth than they actually were . Actually there are so many good arguments that have not been offered any adequate explanation that once you see it...it's almost laughable.
I don't care or have an emotional investment in it. Just another series of b#llshit public relations jobs done by the american government with a sinister political agenda. It doesn't surprise or shock me in the slightest that they faked the moon landings given it was impossible to do at the time , and probably still is. The vietnam or Iraq wars are far more shocking and sophisticated examples of what they are capable of. |
sure I was just pointing out the flaw in your logic.
I've also read up on the topic.
A lot of evidence against the moon landings as you mentioned.
The one thing that I find hard to overocme though is that literally over a quarter of a million people were involved in varying degrees in working on the project... how could that many people be duped and how could not ONE OF THEM have leaked that the whole thing was a fraud... Even despite the fact that yes some people who were involved very high up in the project later died in suspicious curcumstances that looked like coverups, I still can't get my brain to accept that that many people were fooled into working on and believing in the project's authenticity if it was not real... it would be too much of a logistical nightmare... It's hard to believe that not more people would have leaked info that would decredit the moon landings.... You literally need only a handful of pople in on the fraud controlling thousands of others and duping them (hmm sound slike the US govt of today lol...)
I'm still agnostic to be honest as a lot of the sites that decredit the landings and the photos of it are themselves decredited by other scientific sources.
I do trully believe the JFK was killed by the CIA or FBI though, that one's a no brainer, he was too left wing.... |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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History much?
"...he was too left wing."
Kennedy cut taxes. |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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History much?
"...he was too left wing."
Kennedy cut taxes. |
And wanted to end Nam. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| There is zero evidence against the moon landings. What the nutjobs call evidence is stuff they pretend to mean something else and also stuff they just plain made up. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Grab the Chickens Levi wrote: |
| bovinerebel wrote: |
| Grab the Chickens Levi wrote: |
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| we never went to the moon....the really silly thing to believe is that we did in 1969.....before we'd invented the pocket calculater..... |
Lol, you're making a fool of yourself with this gem...
It would be like saying it's silly to beleive we created the sputnick sattelite in the 1950's because the desktop calculator hand't been invented yet...
or silly to believe we created the nuclear bomb in the 1940's as the desktop calculator hadn't been invented yet...
Now, I'm not saying we did or didn't go to the moon, but your argument just does not hold weight. |
It's not an argument , but it's a curious fact that the Japanese and Chinese space programs can still not put a man on the moon despite being far more highly technologically advanced than the Americans were at the same stage. Nor could and have the Russians either despite at the same time being more highly advanced than the Americans. It's all down to the immense amount of protection needed from radiation in space for a human being to survive and weight ratios that would involve in the rocket technology. Also it doesn't help that the photos from the moon are riddled with hot spots and unnatural lighting and shadows , that there is actual footage of them staging being further from the earth than they actually were . Actually there are so many good arguments that have not been offered any adequate explanation that once you see it...it's almost laughable.
I don't care or have an emotional investment in it. Just another series of b#llshit public relations jobs done by the american government with a sinister political agenda. It doesn't surprise or shock me in the slightest that they faked the moon landings given it was impossible to do at the time , and probably still is. The vietnam or Iraq wars are far more shocking and sophisticated examples of what they are capable of. |
sure I was just pointing out the flaw in your logic.
I've also read up on the topic.
A lot of evidence against the moon landings as you mentioned.
The one thing that I find hard to overocme though is that literally over a quarter of a million people were involved in varying degrees in working on the project... how could that many people be duped and how could not ONE OF THEM have leaked that the whole thing was a fraud... Even despite the fact that yes some people who were involved very high up in the project later died in suspicious curcumstances that looked like coverups, I still can't get my brain to accept that that many people were fooled into working on and believing in the project's authenticity if it was not real... it would be too much of a logistical nightmare... It's hard to believe that not more people would have leaked info that would decredit the moon landings.... You literally need only a handful of pople in on the fraud controlling thousands of others and duping them (hmm sound slike the US govt of today lol...)
I'm still agnostic to be honest as a lot of the sites that decredit the landings and the photos of it are themselves decredited by other scientific sources.
I do trully believe the JFK was killed by the CIA or FBI though, that one's a no brainer, he was too left wing.... |
Yes of course that's a very good question. The answer is simple. The data feedback for the mission was fed into the system or recorded from a previously probed mission. It's a complex and sophisticated solution , but far less so than it would have taken to actually land a person on the moon. Only a very few people would have to be in on it. Think about it...you are arguing that to fake the moon landings would have been harder than to carry them out which is bizare considering the nature of what it would take to survive in such lethal radiation.
It's good to question these things though. Far too many crazy idiots run around calling everyone else sheep for not questioning things , yet they themselves never even question their own crazy conspiracy theories. For me on this one though there were just too many laughable scr#w ups made in this whole sham , with very poor counter explanations for me to believe we landed on the moon. Once you resign yourself to that you can look at photos from the moon and it's just so freakishly badly done.....the lighting ...the dark lightless shadows and hotspots so eerily unatural from what you'd expect to find on a sun lit surface..... you are in awe they ever managed to sell this idea to anyone in the first place. The fact that anyone can even look at those photos and think it in anyway represents who you could expect to find in reality is a testament to how the human mind can even be manipulated to reject even it's basic senses.
You though feel free to believe whatever it is you want. Like I said , this is a very small part of a bigger picture to me and i couldn't be bothered one way or another. In the grand scheme of things this is one of the smaller and less sinister lies that was sold to humanity the past 100 years, |
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Kiarell
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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kennedy was not left at all. And being left has to do with raising taxes on rich corporations that sometimes get away with 100% write-offs on 100% of taxes (look at the past three decades). He advocated economic war with Cuba, the burning of IndoChina, and the genocide of the Vietnamese. There was a coup by LBJ and a different clique of conservatives who were a little more dangerous than JFK himself was. He used flimsy, vacuous rhetoric much the way RFK did and Obama does today.
And as far as this racist garbage about Koreans being nuts. Get a fucking brain. Many places have protests. Do you remember the 60s? This is democracy in action. When you have a bourgeois election where most people don't want to bother voting between a bunch of conservatives, they act out like this.
Too left-leaning? Sorry that leftism is reality. There is no mystical "rational" center of the spectrum that is "just right." Left wing politics are the only thing that can save the world. Global warming for example: under free trade, it's cheaper to ship goods to China and back to be assembled than it would be to produce them domestically. Green capitalism my ass. Foreign investment is not good either. It really means foreign ownership and the enrichment of some local cronies. There are the right-wing interests of the rich who want to get rich through ownership, and ordering the production of products no one needs, ordering the production of goods that are designed to break (iPods for example). On the other hand there are the left-wing interests of workers who care about public education, public health, social security, unionism, a meaningful say in their lives, and just rewards for their work and some meaningful say in what they produce and for whom.
And the WTO? The WTO is opposed by people the world over for its bypassing of local sovereignty, labor, and environmental laws. It's about as popular as the Constitution was for PEOPLE in the 13 states back in the 1780s (read: not at all popular).
But no, continue with the elitist, racist comments. Why can't these gooks just stay inside and be good boys and girls while the rich and the US and the various American, Euro, and Japanese transnationals call the shots.
Do some research on your home nation you hypocrites. Mad cow is in a lot of our beef, and the USDA prevents proper inspection the same way the EPA is neutered by Bush and denies global warming. Wake up, people. The Koreans have a better tradition of anti-authoritarianism than Westerners do as far as the last few decades are concerned. Maybe the kids at Gwangju should have stayed inside while dictators ruled the country. Who knows, maybe it would have changed all by itself. I must just be some Stalinist idiot, so don't bother trying to convince I'm wrong. OR I could be well read and know about success stories of left-wing anarchism that imperialist armies destroyed and covered up in the textbooks. I think the NYtimes and the Associated Press could some cynical correspondents. Better yet just get a job at Chosun-ilbo.
As for the moon: sure we could have made it to the moon. It took a lot of tries, and it was a crapshoot, but it could be done. They were able to send people into space and land them back on Earth in pre-planned locations. You'd think they could hit moon just once. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| There is zero evidence against the moon landings. What the nutjobs call evidence is stuff they pretend to mean something else and also stuff they just plain made up. |
There , there now....
You got all your information from the popular media so you know it's got to be the truth. They told you that there was no evidence for it that simple scientific answers couldn't refute and that's enough. Don't bother to question any of the validity or adequecy of the explanations, or even look at the arguments.....they said the word "science" after all ....and the telivision "experts" agreed....so they must be on it's side. Only crazy people and nutjobs would question "science" or the credibility of "experts". How do you know they are talking about valid science ? the experts told you of course ! How do you know the experts are credible ? Well...they are talking about science...they must be credible !
Pat , pat...thaaaaaaaaat's it...one more pill to kill the pain....go to sleep now.... |
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KirbyMagnus
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| bovinerebel wrote: |
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| There is zero evidence against the moon landings. What the nutjobs call evidence is stuff they pretend to mean something else and also stuff they just plain made up. |
There , there now....
You got all your information from the popular media so you know it's got to be the truth. They told you that there was no evidence for it that simple scientific answers couldn't refute and that's enough. Don't bother to question any of the validity or adequecy of the explanations, or even look at the arguments.....they said the word "science" after all ....and the telivision "experts" agreed....so they must be on it's side. Only crazy people and nutjobs would question "science" or the credibility of "experts". How do you know they are talking about valid science ? the experts told you of course ! How do you know the experts are credible ? Well...they are talking about science...they must be credible !
Pat , pat...thaaaaaaaaat's it...one more pill to kill the pain....go to sleep now.... |
Please tell me you are being a troll otherwise you are an idiot. |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
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It's not an argument , but it's a curious fact that the Japanese and Chinese space programs can still not put a man on the moon despite being far more highly technologically advanced than the Americans were at the same stage. |
Another terrible argument.
Who say's the Japanese CAN'T do it? Or maybe even the Chinese (who say the Chinese are so much more advanced in that area than the Americans in 1969?).
They would need a very good reason to do something so expensive, dangerous, and with a high risk of failure. And what's the point really, when someone else has done it before?
The Chinese are only even considering it as some kind of nationalistic badge of achievement. |
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bobranger
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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It's not an argument , but it's a curious fact that the Japanese and Chinese space programs can still not put a man on the moon despite being far more highly technologically advanced than the Americans were at the same stage. |
Another terrible argument.
Who say's the Japanese CAN'T do it? Or maybe even the Chinese (who say the Chinese are so much more advanced in that area than the Americans in 1969?).
They would need a very good reason to do something so expensive, dangerous, and with a high risk of failure. And what's the point really, when someone else has done it before?
The Chinese are only even considering it as some kind of nationalistic badge of achievement. |
The Japanese and Chinese space programs made claims last yar they they both intend to attempt this , and think it MIGHT be possible for them in about 10 years time. I remember reading this on bbc last year and thinking...."Wait a minute ? the americans put that piece of cr@p ton pot up there 40 years ago....what's going on here ?"
Anyway....I don't care if you want to believe your little fairy tale told to you by your imagenary friend , your government. But don't call me a crack pot because I didn't find the official explanations against the clear and laughable attempt at a faked moon landing adequate.
Really in this day and age how can you still look at those pictures and think they are real ? Have you even bothered lately ? The light is just silly...bright hot spots , and shadows where they shouldn't be or extremely dark ,inconsitant with natural sunlight...it's not even a good faking...that's the really funny thing. It's like looking at anamatronic pirates and everyone telling you they are real and you're crazy for thinking they are not. It's too bizare for words . |
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bovinerebel
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Actually that's an interesting documentary when watched in context. You don't need to be a human lie detector to watch that whole thing as see how all the astro-nots are extremely sheepish , stand offish and nervous when confronted about this . None of them would swear on the bible , even when offered 5000$ for charity if they did so , that they went to the moon. I personally have no doubt they never went any further than earth orbit where they faked being further in a very unsophisticated way. you guys are chumps for buying into this silly "we landed on the moon" stuff.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrYndBurq8&feature=related
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