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[dirty_scraps83]

Picture's from a cycle race in Mexico.

As for Mugabe, maybe he's just a figurehead. But these Generals will be pretty easy to eliminate too, I reckon.

Mugabe's generals took over in 'coup by stealth'

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/africa/mugabes-generals-took-over-in-coup-by-stealth-1399529.html

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Even if military action is seriously considered, I'm not sure removing Mugabe and arming MDC supporters would be the wisest of moves (Iraq analogy, if the article author was drawing parallels: what would have happened if the US had removed Hussein and then armed anti-Bathists?).

My feeling is that an African-led UN peacekeeping force would be able to do the most long-term good, starting with free elections. This has (and hasn't) worked in the past, but it seems the best compromise between doing nothing (which wouldn't help Zimbabweans) and an invasion (which would kill a lot of people and generate a lot of bad feeling towards whoever did the invading).

What I think will actually happen is a lot of bluster in the Western press, a few sanctions and various buck-passing until Mugabe dies (or is taken out in a coup once conditions deteriorate even further and neighbouring countries close their orders to refugees) - he is 84, in a country with a life expectancy of 37. An invasion seems unlikely - Zimbabwe doesn't have any oil.

[Kuros]

An invasion here could work. Presumably Mugabe's support is very thin and the interventionists would be relieving the opposition from active violence and intimidation. But the invasion would have to relinquish responsibility to the opposition leaders pretty soon after.

Analogies to Iraq don't feel too helpful to me here. Likewise, China isn't going to do anything as long as they can continue to supply the next regime. Remember, China has penetration all over East Africa, it isn't just the oppressive states.

[nautilus]

Its a job for the UN. Because they have the non-partisan authority. But they are utterly useless as always, declaring "We could never invade a sovereign state". What? Even if there is an illegal brutal regime in place? can someone please tell me what good the UN is? At least they should initiate a peacekeeping force to organise free elections and supervise a transfer of power.

invasion by Britain would be viewed as a return to colonialism. if it happened, ironically, they would be fighting the same war that they thwarted the Rhodesian security forces from doing 30 years ago.

So...I feel..ultimately..that nothing will be done and Zimbabwe will continue its return to a barren wasteland peopled by a few brutal animals surviving on a barter system.

The last option would be for MDC to find a sponsor willing to arm and train rebels that would also need accomodating in neighbouring countries like Botswana. You'd be looking at a prolonged war all over again. Nobody wants that or is prepared to go through that again, especially when at the moment it appears other options have not been properly tried yet.

There is a low-level under-the-radar genocide happening already, by stealth. ie..Mugabe or rather Zanu-PF generals have cut off food aid to those most in need, and so on. An all out Rwanda-style rampage would probably force britain to act, but if mugabe just keeps starving his people slowly he will get away with it.

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[ReeseDog]

...and don't forget to plant the Union Jack in Pretoria as you blow through there encountering no resistance at all.

God save the Queen.

[Join Me]

There would have to be a lot of oil in that country for "Bushy" to show any interest in adopting a few million starving black people. I don't see any invasion in the future.

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[dirty_scraps83]

Could take the back door...


Exiles want NZ Army training

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=231&objectid=10518778&ref=rss

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